Hondarules

I'd go for the Skyline GTR if given the choise. By far the most modification potential, After that the Sti 9 and then the Evo 9 GT. Sti 9 is supposed to be a quick one, anyone know anything about it???

Hey again guys, darn it there was something wrong with my internet connection or this website. I couldn't log on for ages and suddenly today it works. I wonder what more about Honda's you guys are going on about?

Hey well I'm kinda new to this Forum anyway and I was just curious about who's car is the fastest in your street drag racing scene currently?? Who's got the fastest Honda?? How often do you guys drag?? How much money do you guys run for??? Do you run the quarter mile or 500m like the british?? What are the most common cars over there??

Ok I guess I'm gonna have to keep on making replies till I actually get ya'll to understand what I'm trying to say. First to Pericles and sharkster....Whoever said that Honda was the best car manufacturer in the world would be an idiot cause obviously they cater to different markets and I was not out to prove that. It's just a matter of performance and nothing more. Lets start off with high end supercars as you guys would have it. These cars are meant for a certain market. The rich and the high class. This doesn't mean that just cause they're expensive they make the best cars. Remember that when you look at a small low budget company like Honda they wont have the expensive touches like great build quality like a Italian vehicle. Sorry but no matter what if we want to start on Supercars and their prices then it would be absurd cause one of the top of the range evo's. I'm talking about standard cars like an Evo 6 TME, or an Sti 22B, or a type RA, or an Evo 7 or 8 MR and not forgetting the current two greats the Evo 9 GT and the Sti 8 WR1. These jap cars would whip the daylights out of most of the cars you guys call supercars around a track and even quarter mile. Funny enough what japanese car manufacturers have done with the performance car industry must really hurt the Expensive boys of Italy cause now even a car like the Skyline GTR, Toyota Supra, Wrx Sti and even the Evo are all called Supercars. Getting back to my final point is that no they don't compete in the same market and were built for two different reasons but finally if you're a person interested more in performance than SHOW tand you care about affordability then you will definitely go for a honda or some other cheap jap car. Even though the Honda 1600 cars are probably the most affordable of the jap lot. Oh about your 350Z, which seems to be your favourite car. Sorry man, the car was only praised when looked at on it's own. Once compared to older version WRX's, Evo's, and even Honda's the 350Z was considered slow. If you want proof then you'd have to read American car mags which I know you probably don't get over there in Sri Lanka. But trust me If a 350z were to drag against a Integra type R DC2 I'm pretty sure you know where I'd put my money and I'm sure you'll have to admit I'm right. Oh about your girl?? If you actually do want a girl who likes the way you look instead of the way you perform then I'm sure we know what type of girl you're looking for. Oh also if looks are all that matter to you then damn son you gonna be lonely a long time!!!! Heheheh Finally to Pilawoos or whatever your name is when you're looking for performance and you're looking for the best for cost then you don't have to even think about new. Anyway new is not always gold like when an Old EG8 1500sohc beats a newer EK3 1500sohc Vti or RS is it??? What say you to that??

Hi Pericles, or praveen, whoever you are I have no problem with identifying myself and when the time is right I will but the funny thing is I am a guy who knows a thing or two about cars. I'm a race driver who's been doing it for long enough and been driving various cars and know the difference between a ferrari, lambl, porsche, mustand, corvette, or even a viper. I've been in all of those cars and I've driven them too. But what you're forgetting is what a performance car is. Or a high performance car is shall I define it for you?? A motoring journalist once said...I'm sure it was either jeremy clarkson or tiff needel, who are on top gear....they said that the type, for and shape of the supercar has changed so much such that an affordable four door car like the Subaru WRX or the Mitsu Evo can be called a Supercar, a performance car and a drivers car. Now again like you said a honda four door is not a performance car...well which car other than a Honda can give you supercar performance that can beat a stock WRX or EVO or even a standard Mustang or Corvette?? Let me give you exact specs as currently I am running a modifications company and I have built such a civic, I'll give you the stats on everything I've done to it and you'll see it adds upto less than 30,000 USD. This is also just my fun car that isn't the show car of my company. Like I said before I spend 2300 USD on purchasing my Honda Civic Hatch DX model and year 1994. Car was in mint shape but had a 1500 pgmfi engine. Worth nothing actually that engine was so I junked it. Using just a bit over 6000 USD I did a full ITR 1998 conversion. The car began to take shape from there. Next mod was Forged Pistons, Rods, Balanced/ lightened/ and strengthened crank, turbo cams which all cost me 2600 USD, at the same time I did a polishing of the head which cost me 200 USD, With the turbo set up of the internals complete I looked for a turbo and settled with a HKS GT series turbo which was built to handle upto 2.0+ bar of boost and this came as a kit with the intercooler and piping costing me 2400 USD. The next Modifications were a Fluidine radiator, Mocal oil cooler which were essentials costing 1400 USD. The next Important mod was my stand alone autronic Ecu which currently I am specializing in tuning with my shops rolling road dyno which cost me about 1400 USD, I also run a mild anti lag to help with the big turbo lag because of the size of this turbo. Finally I fitted a wet Nos system which is being also controlled with my Autronic which cost me a little less than 600 USD. Now if you check on what I have noted I have spent only something close to 17,000 USD. I had to spend on little little other things like an LSD which cost me 3000 USD more because I got it from UK and it wass the only one that would give me a good compramise for cornering and straight line drags I also have a external high pressure fuel pump set up which cost me 1000USD and I have larger injectors which cost me about 400 USD. I also bought some super sticky racing slicks for the front which I use for drags only and have a full set of Nitto road tires which are also good enough to take down the odd Ferrari during a traffic light situation all costing me 1600 USD. Now Mr Praveen tell me I'm wrong, ask any turbo boffins in SL and they'll tell you if I'm right or wrong. I'm sorry but My corrent car which I just gave you the design also has a fully custom bodykit and is my street car show vehicle which cost me another 2000 USD with stickering and my company decals. Not forgetting the Exhaust for 1000 USD, 200 USD Air Intake, and about 1500 USD for interior work. With space for four seats my car runs high ten's in the quarter mile and It's an everyday car for me. I've used it now it this set up for about 3 years now with only one rebuild and that only because the first year I concentrated on winning drags with the car and it was under constant thrashing at 2.2 Bar of boost, so add that one rebuild to the cost which was only 1000 USD Inclusive of The overhaul kit and piston rings. Now please explain why you think a honda such as my car or even a Sedan four door with the same set up would not take down almost any supercar. The fact of the matter remains that you don't need to be ultra rich to be fast. You only need somebody to point you in the right direction as to how to use your money. Yes you were correct on how hard it is to get even a milisecond off in the ten second zone, which is true but in a type R thsat run'r high 14 and the Corvetter lets say which does 11's, it'll cost less to mod that honda to run high or mid 10's than to get that corvette to get anywhere near the ten second mark. Why initial cost of the corvette is what?? Then the prices for mods is what?? Don't talk about what you don't know. And modifications are what I know, Honda's haul ass and someday when you're with your girl being uptight driving your SL55 AMG some punk driving a properly modded Honda is gonna come whip the shit out of you and then your girl is just gonna laugh at you. Sorry man, I've done it to so many Porsche owners, M3 owners, Viper owners, Corvette owners, Mustang owners. When I get through with them they're just left looking like what the f**k, because once I'm done whooping them I always slow down and watch their faces as I let them pass. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha...Sorry man. Bang for buck and Honda's rule!!!!

Yeah man you're right it does fall into the 6-8 category which used to mostly consist of 1600cc SiR Honda's and I don't think it did well against those. Even though you are correct, it definitely can be faster than a D15B but after getting to that level taking it into the supermodified section would not be that easy cause not many people make turbo pistons and stuff like that for the Cultus. Even though you are correct the cultus is a great car.

Look man, I'm not trying to argue with you or anyone else. Right now I'm stating facts or what has been accepted as fact for the last 5 to 6 six years. The facts I have stated are true. Ask anybody who's actually been following the motoring scene and modding scene in the recent past. Look pericles I know who you are and to me really your opinion on Honda's doesn't matter cause what you know of cars is really a load of shit to me, but the fact of the matter is The stuff I stated is true. About the clutch on the enzo, ask around from a few unbiased car enthusiasts, and also every other stat I gave you I couldn't give a shit if you didn't believe me or not because if you spoke to any of a huge number of motoring experts in SL you'd know what I'm saying is true. If you do know of a NA engine which is 1600cc or 1800cc that produces more power than the Honda TypeR's then please show me that, till then I'll believe what I've stated and honestly everyone else does too, at least true enthusiasts know. And oh since you don't consider a civic a performance car then I'm sorry you're a very greatly mislead fool as in the performance car arena in any country you'll see more honda'a than any other manufacturer. Also When you stated the price comparison of your Mustang and Corvette did you even consider what I was saying?? Starting from 30,000 USD?? Come on man!!! Let me give you a few stats, First to buy a bottom range Honda civic Hatch in USA where I did live before would cost you max 3000 USD, then to do a complete engine swap to a ITR or CTR with a few extra sideline mods would cost you about 7000 USD, then it leaves you 20,000 USD in the hand...you're telling me you can't build a honda with that much cash to beat you 30,000 USD MUSTANG?? Please proove me wrong in this?? Also again I'd like to finally state something, lets say 1600cc honda type R vtec. Now since CC is all that matter and there's no replacement for displacement, lets put two completely unfare cars together how about a 2000cc + car like Javidh's EuroR against Nigel's CTR or Maybe Javidh's SiR what do you think would happen there?? Now you'll completely accept there are way more important things than CC now days. Trust me, above all I know what type of guy you are. You're a simple child who's been misguided by european car mags and american magazines and not even had the chance to really appreciate the true value of a High end japanese performance car. Do you know what I'd call the High end Japanese performance car?? A civic, do you know why?? Everyone can have one and someday with the time and effort someone can beat a ferrari with one of them. But in reality only a handfull of people will ever own a Ferrari, a Lambo and whatever... Right now I challenge any High end European car to a drag. Set the date and time and I'll turn up with a car. If my car wins, ya'll can shut the hell up and take it like men. Or if you can't come up with a car then just keep ranting on this forum like some all talk no shit loosers!!!!

Ok let me get down to it again to give you a more specific argument. Tell me how much does a V8 engine produce with no supercharger and how ever much cc?? 4000cc?? 5000cc??? Give me an answer to that. Look comparing engine to engine is not worth it, because engine to engine then the vtec engine is the at the cutting edge of technology to help increase engine life, fuel efficiency, performance and reliability on a whole. A V8 on the other hand just produces Horsepower which is not all that matters in the practical world. What I mentioned before, fuel efficiency, reliability matter a lot to the every day guy. I'm not trying to brag about how the honda engine is better but it's a fact that nowadays CC is not everything. Yes if you have a huge cc engine you can beat a smaller cc engine and that's not the last word. Then if you wanna compare it in the simple terms of cc then I could compare the v10 engine in the Honda F1 car to a vipers v10 and there'd be no competition and at the same time the CC of an F1 car is probably less than a viper. How curios. It isn't just cc that matters anymore and it's about technology and even if you don't accept it the world already has. Ok so honda's aren't the best engines in the world maybe but they definitely are the most powerful in their cc category. 1600, and 1800, Imagine Honda actually concentrated on a V8 engine or V10 of their own?? Imagine the horspower the engine might produce with the same technology in the B16 engines and the B18 engines. Compare what can be compared. If somebody did say that the V8's will disappear, then I guess it is funny because the american V8's will always be one of the greatest legendary engines, not cause of how hi tech or advanced they are. Only because of how simple they are, and how they can produce flat out horsepower and nothing else. On the other hand the vtec engines will always be a legendary engine because of it's technology because of the ability of an engine to give you hi performance, as well as fuel efficiency when driven outside the vtec zone and reliability. Two different classes, two different engines and there is no comparison. Finally said I know this is not what the original argument was about, but......Honda do produce the engines that produce the highest horsepower with the least amount of cc, and without the addition of any type of turbo or supercharger. Just from fueling and ecu black art. That is something they must be given credit for!!!

Yo man whoever you are I see you make some really really dumb argument into something huge. If you wanna get down to being critical about every little tiny detail then every car in the world has problems. Did you know the great Enzo Ferrari can only take a very small number of hard starts?? Wow pay big buck and get shit clutch. Every car has it's downsides and if anyone said a honda is perfect then they'd be morons. Lets get away from that and comment on what honda has achieved. -->Fastest production 1600cc car in the world--Civic typeR EK9 -->Fastest production 1800cc car in the world--Integra typeR DC2 -->Best handling in its class and year of production Civic typeR Compare one small thing. 1600cc EK9 type R or a 1800cc DC2 type R....What are their quater mile times?? In the 14's if I'm right, then compare it to a muscle car like a standard Mustang or a Corvette is there a huge difference?? Even if it was two or three seconds, it's still not much cause with the initial money you'd spend on a Corvette or Mustang you could mod the honda to whip the shit out of a muscle car. Fact man!!!! No matter what's said the NSX wasn't a great hit in the US but in comparison to what a standard road going Vette or a Mustang could do around the track the NSX was impressive. The only thing American cars seem to have is raw power, handling?? Grip?? Fuel efficiency??? None of it. Yeah Honda's come with cheap interiors, they have squeeks and exhaust rattles but whatever is said and done around the world honda's sell more than any other performance car. It's a fact!! All over the world if you take the world market Japanese cars on a whole sell more than European and American cars, and the performance enthusiast who wants a bang for buck car which can be driven and afforded as an every day car will always be a Honda owner. Sorry man, gotta state the facts.