hey don i was referring to Tiida (the newest sunnys) not the good old sunny's... i honestly think the Tiida is too passive. i agree with you on the quality of tradsunny/doctor sunny... they truly were fantastic cars. but since then it has not been business as usual with sunny's... despite the price difference the new corolla is way ahead of Fb15/N16 in terms of reliability/comfort/fuel economy etc.