Fuel Strike Back On?

[isurujosh]

Ah ehema kiyyannko..

U r bullying me

[ash]

U r bullying me

[milinda]

Do you work in the retail industry in the UK milinda ?

Regards,

The Don

Yes I do

[isurujosh]

I saw that already. The mail I got included that link. It doesn't address what I said. Which is that its outdated, doesn't really concern Sri Lankans and the mail is jumping to conclusions. I don't dispute the fact that there WAS a problem. BBC doesn't say that they decided to dump the chocolates in the third world markets, did they? Thats the root of my beef. Sure there was a problem. Sure some ppl got sick. The UK members on this forum probably heard about it already. BUT it doesn't mean Cadbury dumped the affected stuff in the third world instead of destroying it.

Which was why I told the guy who sent it to me

Coz look, the way it is said, its like all cadbury has been banned from Europe, so they are trying to pass the products off in the third world. But in FACT, only 7 specific products are affected. None of those are marketed here in SL. So who is the joker who came up with "AND OF COURSE WHAT BETTER PLACE TO DUMP THESE WASTED PRODUCTS THAN THE THIRD WORLD"?

me too forwarded the mail but i wrote a clause indicating that there is no evidence of actual dumping, only a remote possibilty. (judging what's happened in the past in this country)

[dragster]

Pricles,

Give up man, Sri Lanka is too full of conspiracy theorists and moaners who complain more rather than proactively doing anything about anything, or being pragmatic and dealing with the realities of matters.

I found out recently why we don't get chocolates direct from europe etc, cos I on my way back took some Sri Lankan chocolates back since I missed the taste, and quite honestly I didn't enjoy them much cos they refused to melt and I had to chew them. Upon further investigation it seems that in hot countries they increase the percentage of coco pouder they put in to chocolate to stop them melting in higher temperatures, because else chocolate would always need cold storage and that isnt practical, while as in europe the reduce it since the ambient temperatures aren't as high as in South asia for example.

As far as the fuel prices go, expect further increases, and if Iran gets dragged into the conflict and if the Security Council imposes sanctions on Iran expect fuel prices to surge further since they are a major supplier of petroleum. Also the demand of middle eastern oil is increasing since european reserves especially in the north sea is running out.

Basically the fuel price increases have nothing to do with a Chintanaya or the Sri Lankan government. If not for the generous fuel subsidies the prices should be even higher, so be thankful rather than complain. I mean people shout out for privatisation of government monopolies as well as a market ecconomy. Price rises based on world market rates is a part of the deal so either we accept that, or we adopt a socialist system with wealth distribution where everything is subsidised and controlled, but we all know the down side of that.

Regards,

The Don

PS. Me no supporter of "the Chintanaya" I don't even know what it is.

you have point there bro... but I assume your in the shodows of reality, it's all in a chain my friend.. so it's very hard to explain... it's true that the world oil prices are going up and stuff but in a country like ours we cant afford to bare that much of cost thus we gota be in a stable economy level... the rise in fuel prices affects, all most everything mainly transportation which gulps food, clothes and other daily needs... and at last it effects who ? us...

eg-

fuel price goes up = transportation fare has to go up = in order to pay transportation fees = goods have to rise in price = to buy goods at rising prices = wages should increase

but lets say all that is fine... but do you know how much wastage that goes on with our officials ? no names mentioned but there are people who pump 80 litre's per day to run their V8 petrol engines... can you imagine ?

this is sad dude.... think about it...

[isurujosh]

but lets say all that is fine... but do you know how much wastage that goes on with our officials ? no names mentioned but there are people who pump 80 litre's per day to run their V8 petrol engines... can you imagine ?

this is sad dude.... think about it...

damn right bro! people who are abroad and the wealthy lot back here, don't have an idea the kind of stuff we go through, for once our wages are low, (same job that pays 6000-10000$ in US pays only 600-700$ here) and then we have the hefty taxes for our vehicles and then theres all the goods that we buy being taxed at unprecedented level. (Dude a Honda Civc is 51,000$ here and if you happen to be building a house you'd be amazed to see the building material prices go up at alarming rates)

Guys Sri Lanka is not the only country in the world who import fuel, there are others where citizens aren't effected despite fuel price increases becuase the other factors are solid and well managed.

At this rate of mismanagement and borrowings we are going to be another Argentina! (remeber thier economy collapsed some time ago)

Amidst all this what if the war breaks out? I am sire that's exactly what politicos are anticipating, coz then they can point the finger at war

there are people who pump 80 litre's per day to run their V8 petrol engines... can you imagine ?

this is sad dude.... think about it...

forget about those micro cases, think about the impact of reckless money printing!

[The Don]

you have point there bro... but I assume your in the shodows of reality, it's all in a chain my friend.. so it's very hard to explain... it's true that the world oil prices are going up and stuff but in a country like ours we cant afford to bare that much of cost thus we gota be in a stable economy level... the rise in fuel prices affects, all most everything mainly transportation which gulps food, clothes and other daily needs... and at last it effects who ? us...

eg-

fuel price goes up = transportation fare has to go up = in order to pay transportation fees = goods have to rise in price = to buy goods at rising prices = wages should increase

but lets say all that is fine... but do you know how much wastage that goes on with our officials ? no names mentioned but there are people who pump 80 litre's per day to run their V8 petrol engines... can you imagine ?

this is sad dude.... think about it...

I unserstand your sentiments, and I understand the cycle etc. and it is sad, but its not strange or unheard of. But you have to look at things in perspective.

Fact is with all the corruption etc. we still manage to have one of the most generous social security systems in the world. I very recently travelled a bit in the developing world and I could obviously see us in Sri Lanka have things easy in atleast the most basic of necessities.

And about our political system, democracy is an evolutionary process, because for it to work the people within the system should understand and embract the system. What we still find is seemingly a mix of the feudal system and democracy. This is very common in countries where democracy has been thrust upon them, and in all younge democracies. So for the corruption etc. to go down and for officials etc. to be truly accountable it would take time.

I mean there are many problems in our land, corrupt political process, an inefficient tax system and the list goes on, but hey there are many good things about it too. So don't feel too bad about things dragster, believe me it could be much worse, and hey you guys generally have things going ok, but the same can't be said for the majority in the country

And yo Isuru, Salaries are relative to the cost of living, true items like cars are expensive because they have to be imported and are taxed at ridiculous amount to cover various budgetary issues. But you cant expect for solution to suddenly come out of no where, be realistic.

And dude, I cant speak for myself cos I am still at the very early stages of my career, but my dad a humble government servant, and my mom a teacher built 2 houses, have their own propery vehicle etc. and even managed to send me abrode for studies and all with their humble salaries, no payouts no side business nothing, and also with all the trouble inflasion etc in SL and with no inheritance. My point is with what you earn you can live a good life in SL (relatively speaking) believe me to earn a similar living in most western countries you need a lot more than what a salary for a similar job over here will provide.

And look Isuru, we have known nothing but war, but our country though hampered by it has dealt with it and held together. Successive governments have come and plundered our ecconomy but hey we are all still standing. Things are improving, but slowly, change is slow and painful, remember some of the pain we are feeling in the form of inflation is because of the opening up of our ecconomy to the market forces, and the reduction of price fixing etc.

And fuel prices have gone up everywhere, not only in SL and unless you are a very rich country with their own oil reserves and a relatively small population like Brunei its nearly impossible to regulate the price of fuel in a country. its a simple fact.

All I am urging here is some optimism, that is al and to view facts in perspective and not be negative all the time, or get dragged into a blame culture.

Regards,

The Don

Regards,

The Don

Yes I do

Where do you work Milinda ? I work in the North East, but not in the retail industry,

Regards,

The Don

[neXGen]

eh.. god damn.. some rare patriotism being shown here.. glad to hear another being loving Sri Lanka lolz.. the people who ought to be cursed and frankly it's leader crucified, circumsized etc. is the USA. Though, the people are against it, the government is not and its' this "WaR oN tErRoR" which has caused all this crap. There had been info about a classified document which the government has published relating to global domination... and in the process to pocket some black gold.. if there is anything wrong in this world.. it is the government of that state..

Zz

[isurujosh]

Hi Don, I guess you and I now know each other for a while, so please don’t get offended by what I say below, but the facts needed to be sorted out straight. Since you prefer to explain in detail, I shall do the same. (Though it doesn’t help my post whore status) please follow my comments in bold text.

I unserstand your sentiments, and I understand the cycle etc. and it is sad, but its not strange or unheard of. But you have to look at things in perspective.

/Yeah it is not strange or unheard of but living abroad in these trouble times you don’t experience it first hand do you.

Fact is with all the corruption etc. we still manage to have one of the most generous social security systems in the world. I very recently travelled a bit in the developing world and I could obviously see us in Sri Lanka have things easy in atleast the most basic of necessities.

/That’s thanks to “somewhat” sustainable economic policies during the past, if the borrow and make current expenditure (welfare/salary hikes) policy continues. Where are we going to end up in the future.

And about our political system, democracy is an evolutionary process, because for it to work the people within the system should understand and embract the system. What we still find is seemingly a mix of the feudal system and democracy. This is very common in countries where democracy has been thrust upon them, and in all younge democracies. So for the corruption etc. to go down and for officials etc. to be truly accountable it would take time.

/Agree.

I mean there are many problems in our land, corrupt political process, an inefficient tax system and the list goes on, but hey there are many good things about it too. So don't feel too bad about things dragster, believe me it could be much worse, and hey you guys generally have things going ok, but the same can't be said for the majority in the country

/Yes it could be much worse if the current trend were to continue. As you have said, we(dragster, me others in the forum) can manage, but the country at large and the future behold what? For once I know that if you are a Sinhalese this is the best place on earth, so I want it to progress.

And yo Isuru, Salaries are relative to the cost of living, true items like cars are expensive because they have to be imported and are taxed at ridiculous amount to cover various budgetary issues. But you cant expect for solution to suddenly come out of no where, be realistic.

/Realistically government could have gone on with the peace process [foreign currency for development projects –some freaking 5bn USD – some 25% of the GDP], control government spending (I mean spending should await a round of development) and none of this shit would have occurred.

Yeah dude as you said wages should be seen in the context of cost of living”. So be it, take the Purchasing Power Parity exchange rate and recalculate 60,000-70,000 Rs. With 6000$ and tell me what the figures are?

And dude, I cant speak for myself cos I am still at the very early stages of my career, but my dad a humble government servant, and my mom a teacher built 2 houses, have their own propery vehicle etc. and even managed to send me abrode for studies and all with their humble salaries, no payouts no side business nothing, and also with all the trouble inflasion etc in SL and with no inheritance. My point is with what you earn you can live a good life in SL (relatively speaking) believe me to earn a similar living in most western countries you need a lot more than what a salary for a similar job over here will provide.

/The point is people in most countries do all those you have mentioned, but we Sri Lankans have to make endless sacrifices to do just that. May I ask what you are doing in UK if life in SL is so sweet like that?

I know it the hard way around, I afford a car to my parents and my self, and I build a house for my self too, now I have given up going to office by car(Since July) because of the house building expenditure and an intention to save some money for a future car.

And look Isuru, we have known nothing but war, but our country though hampered by it has dealt with it and held together. Successive governments have come and plundered our ecconomy but hey we are all still standing. Things are improving, but slowly, change is slow and painful, remember some of the pain we are feeling in the form of inflation is because of the opening up of our ecconomy to the market forces, and the reduction of price fixing etc.

/I completely disagree with the open economy being bad. Couldn’t you have gone to Cuba or North Korea if it were a better place to live? Well I brought up the personal aspect here to make understand it the real way. But if you need more academic discussion as to how an open economy can be better for SL, plz give your e-mail to me.

And fuel prices have gone up everywhere, not only in SL and unless you are a very rich country with their own oil reserves and a relatively small population like Brunei its nearly impossible to regulate the price of fuel in a country. its a simple fact.

/I told you earlier that others can afford and Sri Lnkans can ill afford

All I am urging here is some optimism, that is al and to view facts in perspective and not be negative all the time, or get dragged into a blame culture.

/If were to have been negative we could have fled the country, but we remain here and try to improve things for our selves the way we can. (even if it means you argue with a friend in an automotive forum)

eh.. god damn.. some rare patriotism being shown here.. glad to hear another being loving Sri Lanka lolz.. the people who ought to be cursed and frankly it's leader crucified, circumsized etc. is the USA. Though, the people are against it, the government is not and its' this "WaR oN tErRoR" which has caused all this crap. There had been info about a classified document which the government has published relating to global domination... and in the process to pocket some black gold.. if there is anything wrong in this world.. it is the government of that state..

Zz

I am better of with an American domination rather than a Caliphate ruling the world or Naazis or even Communists rule the world. You have to view things in the context machan.

[neXGen]

I do view things in the context dude.. I ve got all the info i need to convince myself that, that government is the worst thing which happened next to the hiroshima bomb attacks.. it aint about the people.. its merely the government ;-) ... after the US vetoing the resolution to call off the Israelis from attacking.. i find it very clear on what they really need.. though some people might think otherwise.. most of the people in that government are war mongers...

Zz

[isurujosh]

I do view things in the context dude.. I ve got all the info i need to convince myself that, that government is the worst thing which happened next to the hiroshima bomb attacks.. it aint about the people.. its merely the government ;-) ... after the US vetoing the resolution to call off the Israelis from attacking.. i find it very clear on what they really need.. though some people might think otherwise.. most of the people in that government are war mongers...

Zz

To me, best thing is no world super power. Next best is US super power or even China(who knows?) But do share a thought for Lebanese and Iraqi's too! But I ask you, what super power would you rather live with?

/bye for today!

[neXGen]

good question! I would nt mind US being a superpower if there were a proper set of individuals who value humanity, equality etc. in the government. The problem here in the US government is that someway or the other, the government consists of animals which were let loose.. especially that monkey faced moron.. Bush..

I d rather prefer a globalized world where each country is free to do as it likes (without obstructing into other countries affairs etc. that is) and where all countries share their resources to make life more meaningful and pleasant in this small world.

Thank god that earth is small, if it were the size o Jupiter... I could just imagine the chaos which mother nature has to witness because of selfish human beings...

Zz

[The Don]

To me, best thing is no world super power. Next best is US super power or even China(who knows?) But do share a thought for Lebanese and Iraqi's too! But I ask you, what super power would you rather live with?

/bye for today!

Look dude, I am not looking for an argument, I lived most of my life in Sri Lanka, and some of my life in Sri Lanka still, most of my family is very much in Sri Lanka and I bare most of my family expenses, so don't go accusing me of not knowing what I am talking about.

I would very much like to be living there too, a company in this country made a better job offer to me than a company in SL, and I took it, its as simple as that had nothing to do with the condition or situation back at home. Ironically enough got a few good offers from SL after I had aggreed to a contract with these people .

You can believe whatever you want to believe, that is up to you, I just presented you basic facts and principals, cross reference them as you wish. I suggest you read the UNDP reports, and study the social security systems of developing countries such as Bangladesh, India and the Philippines.

This is simply my position, whoever says what I refuse to accept anybody's position that Sri Lanka is a rotten country full of rotten people and a rotten place to live in. And also the fact there is no hope for it and its doomed. That is simply my position, if you don't aggree, then well you don't but that doesnt affect me.

There are problems everywhere, only the type and manifestation of them differ,

You can moan and moan for all you care, but that is not going to change anything is it ?. I was only urgining you all to be positive, if you can't then fine your choice.

Regards to all,

The Don

[Pericles]

ummm, boys. Automotive forum, not political.

I feel like deleting all the last few entries coz they are just too long to read. I'm too tired to moderate this. I just finished a very hard fought basketball game. One of the other mods go thru this and see if its ok. Peace out!

[The Don]

ummm, boys. Automotive forum, not political.

I feel like deleting all the last few entries coz they are just too long to read. I'm too tired to moderate this. I just finished a very hard fought basketball game. One of the other mods go thru this and see if its ok. Peace out!

With all due respect moderator Sir, politics affect everything including automotive matters. And we were simply discussing the recent fuel price hikes and the reasons behind them, and from my limited knowledge of the forum rules neither me or Isuru have broken any forum rules.

But as usual up to you guys to do as you wish,

The Don

[Pericles]

With all due respect moderator Sir, politics affect everything including automotive matters. And we were simply discussing the recent fuel price hikes and the reasons behind them, and from my limited knowledge of the forum rules neither me or Isuru have broken any forum rules.

But as usual up to you guys to do as you wish,

The Don

I didn't say u guys had broken any rules I said I didn't want to read all that to make sure u hadn't, so would one of the other mods do it. Politics bore me. Like my A/L political science master told us, "unta hanpan mun, munta hapan un". My deleteing comment was based on the length, not content. Course, I never would do that, just that I feel like that.

[sharkster]

One of the other mods go thru this and see if its ok. Peace out!

i'm trying...i'll need the weekend for this

[isurujosh]

With all due respect moderator Sir, politics affect everything including automotive matters. And we were simply discussing the recent fuel price hikes and the reasons behind them, and from my limited knowledge of the forum rules neither me or Isuru have broken any forum rules.

But as usual up to you guys to do as you wish,

The Don

Cool scene Don, We'll stop politics for a while! should help the moderators cause i guess!

[dragster]

Look dude, I am not looking for an argument, I lived most of my life in Sri Lanka, and some of my life in Sri Lanka still, most of my family is very much in Sri Lanka and I bare most of my family expenses, so don't go accusing me of not knowing what I am talking about.

I would very much like to be living there too, a company in this country made a better job offer to me than a company in SL, and I took it, its as simple as that had nothing to do with the condition or situation back at home. Ironically enough got a few good offers from SL after I had aggreed to a contract with these people .

You can believe whatever you want to believe, that is up to you, I just presented you basic facts and principals, cross reference them as you wish. I suggest you read the UNDP reports, and study the social security systems of developing countries such as Bangladesh, India and the Philippines.

This is simply my position, whoever says what I refuse to accept anybody's position that Sri Lanka is a rotten country full of rotten people and a rotten place to live in. And also the fact there is no hope for it and its doomed. That is simply my position, if you don't aggree, then well you don't but that doesnt affect me.

There are problems everywhere, only the type and manifestation of them differ,

You can moan and moan for all you care, but that is not going to change anything is it ?. I was only urgining you all to be positive, if you can't then fine your choice.

Regards to all,

The Don

bro Don... until today all your post had very good sense but sadly this one, your sort of speaking within a frame... I'm sort of lazy to be typing a long explanation as to why, so I'll just rest my case....

machang you should be here to see the truth.... also try building two houses today...

[milinda]

machang you should be here to see the truth.... also try building two houses today...

[noaim]

i'm trying...i'll need the weekend for this

I had to skim thru...

Im pretty sure if theres ever a automotive debating contest, we got guys to win em!

[MRM]

bro Don... until today all your post had very good sense but sadly this one, your sort of speaking within a frame... I'm sort of lazy to be typing a long explanation as to why, so I'll just rest my case....

machang you should be here to see the truth.... also try building two houses today...

i second this.

i built one house( just finished ) & really struggling to live now with the loans

very soon garment industry is going to collapse in sri lanka & i''ll be job hunting

too bad i'll have to give away my VZR

[nadskit]

i second this.

i built one house( just finished ) & really struggling to live now with the loans

very soon garment industry is going to collapse in sri lanka & i''ll be job hunting

too bad i'll have to give away my VZR

Not just building a new house guys try repairing an existing house n c how the labour charges have gone up in this country but sadly we cannot anticipate any pay raises for along time as travel trade too is in a big crisis..

[noaim]

Not just building a new house guys try repairing an existing house n c how the labour charges have gone up in this country but sadly we cannot anticipate any pay raises for along time as travel trade too is in a big crisis..

I doubt theres any business/trade that aint in shit, big or small! & Ya building material gonna go up again, all to do with world prices, going up, up, & up again!!!

[dragster]

I doubt theres any business/trade that aint in shit, big or small! & Ya building material gonna go up again, all to do with world prices, going up, up, & up again!!!

some of the garment factories have shut down.. thanks to increase in electricity... very soon we'll be importing clothes as well....