Filling Up

toyota sucks · May 12, 2011

I'm not an expert in cars but i tough of explaining some facts before u fill up u'r ride.

Experts additives please.

1)It is better to stop filling up when the pump stops rather than filling it to the cap.

(i) Loss of fuel due to evaporation

(ii)To get an accurate kmpl reading

2)It is better to pump more fuel at a time or fill after some one else has use the pump.

(i) The evaporated petrol vapor in the horse after some time is accounted for

3) It is better to keep the tank at at least 1/4 full

(i) to avoid dirty stuff entering.

(ii) to avoid suction of air.

4) Check the octane needed

(i) using 95 unnecessarily is a wast of money.

(ii) if intermediate octanes are needed (eg-oc 91) use extra premium (oct92)

5) using the correct diesel

(i) check the users manual of u'r car

(ii) if u are using an engine oil with api ch or higher super diesel should be used as the normal has higher sulfur.

6) Fuel aditives shouldn't be used in Some vehicles with catalytic converters read the vehicles users manual

Edited May 12, 2011 by toyota sucks

heavyD · May 12, 2011

I'm sorry, but this post is just completely, for a lack of a better word, stupid.

Edited May 12, 2011 by Big_D

nexus · May 12, 2011

On 5/12/2011 at 2:54 PM, toyota sucks said:

I'm not an expert in cars but i tough of explaining some facts before u fill up u'r ride.

Experts additives please.

good you finally admit it.

Edited May 12, 2011 by nexus

Watchman · May 12, 2011

and the dumb-a$$ repped himself too

Pericles · May 12, 2011

On 5/12/2011 at 5:14 PM, Watchman said:

and the dumb-a$$ repped himself too

He does that regularly.

toyota sucks · May 13, 2011

So i was going to share something i know is it bad, or is it prohibited for us to do this in the forum.

I think this will be a valuable topic if the experts also posted their knowledge.

The Don · May 13, 2011

On 5/13/2011 at 4:05 PM, toyota sucks said:

So i was going to share something i know is it bad, or is it prohibited for us to do this in the forum.

I think this will be a valuable topic if the experts also posted their knowledge.

Thank you Toyota Sucks. To most in the forum, the information you shared isn't really new news. But I'm sure some will find it helpful. Common sense doesn't always come naturally

vishkid · May 14, 2011

On 5/12/2011 at 6:00 PM, Pericles said:

He does that regularly.

Really? That's lame

Anyways couldn't really figure out what this post is supposed to mean - is it a question, or a statement?

jdnet · May 14, 2011

Well while this post made me LMFAO I think there are a few things we can buils up on

1)It is better to stop filling up when the pump stops rather than filling it to the cap.

Yes, because rocking a car trying to fill up till the last drop is pointless to get a little extra petrol in. There are also a few risks that come with topping off.

2)It is better to pump more fuel at a time or fill after some one else has use the pump.

what?

3)It is better to keep the tank at at least 1/4 full

Yes it's better. Not for the reasons you mentioned though. You need to make sure you keep a fair amount of petrol in your tank at all times to keep the fuel pump cool since in most cases, it's located in the tank.

4)Check the octane needed

you have a point. You should always use petrol with the octane number recommended by the manual.

5)using the correct diesel

It's not about the oil. You have to use the fuel thats recommended.

6)Fuel aditives shouldn't be used in Some vehicles with catalytic converters read the vehicles users manual

Additives that say they will give you extra KMPLs do not help but tried and tested fuel injector cleaners will help your car in the long run.

heavyD · May 14, 2011

On 5/14/2011 at 6:58 AM, jdnet said:

Additives that say they will give you extra KMPLs do not help but tried and tested fuel injector cleaners will help your car in the long run.

Injector cleaners you mix with fuel?

jdnet · May 14, 2011

On 5/14/2011 at 7:36 AM, Big_D said:

Injector cleaners you mix with fuel?

yep

nexus · May 14, 2011

On 5/14/2011 at 6:58 AM, jdnet said:

1)It is better to stop filling up when the pump stops rather than filling it to the cap.

Yes, because rocking a car trying to fill up till the last drop is pointless to get a little extra petrol in. There are also a few risks that come with topping off.

what are the risks of doing this.

heavyD · May 14, 2011

On 5/14/2011 at 8:27 AM, jdnet said:

yep

Is that better than getting them cleaned manually or however they do it in garages?

jdnet · May 14, 2011

On 5/14/2011 at 9:17 AM, Big_D said:

Is that better than getting them cleaned manually or however they do it in garages?

Nope, just preventative maintenance. A can of a decent fuel injector cleaner every couple of months does help keep things running smothly and the KMPLs.

jdnet · May 14, 2011

On 5/14/2011 at 8:44 AM, nexus said:

what are the risks of doing this.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ZagPICcMPcsJ:www.ecobuzzla.com/green-driving-series-four-reasons-you-shouldnt-top-off-your-gas-tank/+why+you+shouldnt+top+up+gas&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=lk&source=www.google.lk

virensti · May 14, 2011

Actually since we're on this,

when we first got our car, ( swift brand new) we pumped 95 oct and it was smooth and the exhaust fumes were very nice (with a touch of water vapour) and after the tank emptied, we pumped 90 oct, and since then, the fuel economy has dropped considerably and more noticeably a strong sulphur smell coming from the exhaust and a slight miss at low rpm's (not that noticeable though)

A bit of googling said it could be because of the octane level or because new cat's give out that smell for a while..

We're yet to switch back to 95 (wanna empty the tank first) but what do you guys think? I wouldn't think a 1.3 engine would require a high fuel octane?

The Stig · May 14, 2011

On 5/14/2011 at 9:17 AM, Big_D said:

Is that better than getting them cleaned manually or however they do it in garages?

No machan this is more like a preventive method.

They are not very expensive, a bottle is around 750 bucks. just use every 3 moths or so and your injectors wont clog up fast.

I think the IOC extra premium also has an injector cleaning fluid in it but better to use one yourself, who know what they put in that stuff.

Also i have seen in some other forums that using ATF fluid is also effective but not exactly sure on this

The Stig · May 14, 2011

On 5/14/2011 at 2:04 PM, virensti said:

Actually since we're on this,

when we first got our car, ( swift brand new) we pumped 95 oct and it was smooth and the exhaust fumes were very nice (with a touch of water vapour) and after the tank emptied, we pumped 90 oct, and since then, the fuel economy has dropped considerably and more noticeably a strong sulphur smell coming from the exhaust and a slight miss at low rpm's (not that noticeable though)

A bit of googling said it could be because of the octane level or because new cat's give out that smell for a while..

We're yet to switch back to 95 (wanna empty the tank first) but what do you guys think? I wouldn't think a 1.3 engine would require a high fuel octane?

Machan not exactly sure on the octane rating for the swift but i know for sure that displacement is not relevant to the octane rating. What matters is the compression ratio of the engine.Sometimes smaller engines also have higher compression ration, but seems unlikely in your case.

Whats the exact engine model you have ?

JohnGalt · May 14, 2011

On 5/14/2011 at 9:31 AM, jdnet said:

Nope, just preventative maintenance. A can of a decent fuel injector cleaner every couple of months does help keep things running smothly and the KMPLs.

I've been using, forgot the name now, a US branded one which is available from Laughs. You have to put it every 4000 kms. I've been using it for every 5000 kms 'cos that's my service interval and easy to remember that way.

toyota sucks · May 14, 2011

As there was a problem regarding the 2nd point it is due to the price petrol vapor collected in the pump is calculated in the pump(according to my knowledge - a shed owner told me so)

toyota sucks · May 14, 2011

On 5/14/2011 at 9:31 AM, jdnet said:

Nope, just preventative maintenance. A can of a decent fuel injector cleaner every couple of months does help keep things running smothly and the KMPLs.

2 of the users manuals of the cars i used told not to use fuel additives and it would effect the catalytic converter please explain this somebody.

And if so is using extra premium petrol or extra mile diesel bad for those vehicles

jdnet · May 14, 2011

On 5/14/2011 at 2:33 PM, JohnGalt said:

I've been using, forgot the name now, a US branded one which is available from Laughs. You have to put it every 4000 kms. I've been using it for every 5000 kms 'cos that's my service interval and easy to remember that way.

prestone?

virensti · May 14, 2011

On 5/14/2011 at 2:18 PM, The Stig said:

Machan not exactly sure on the octane rating for the swift but i know for sure that displacement is not relevant to the octane rating. What matters is the compression ratio of the engine.Sometimes smaller engines also have higher compression ration, but seems unlikely in your case.

Whats the exact engine model you have ?

yeah I know its not the displacement mate, was wondering about it since obviously for a small engine Suzuki japan would've mapped it to run on the least octane level? Must check up on the stock ECU maps for cars like these.

Tis a Suzuki M13A engine

jdnet · May 14, 2011

On 5/14/2011 at 2:08 PM, The Stig said:

Also i have seen in some other forums that using ATF fluid is also effective but not exactly sure on this

It's done on old diesels. Had a friend who did that from time to time. From what I heard it works.

isurujosh · May 14, 2011

On 5/14/2011 at 2:33 PM, JohnGalt said:

I've been using, forgot the name now, a US branded one which is available from Laughs. You have to put it every 4000 kms. I've been using it for every 5000 kms 'cos that's my service interval and easy to remember that way.

i think you are refering to Valvoline here. i used Valvoline this time and i await a couple of more fuel efficiency readings to decide whether it does the job. i have been using wurth before this time and it has not let me down.

but when i went to motorcade this time they recommended Valvoline as an alternative (they didn't have wurth).

Edited May 14, 2011 by isurujosh

isurujosh · May 14, 2011

On 5/14/2011 at 3:03 PM, virensti said:

yeah I know its not the displacement mate, was wondering about it since obviously for a small engine Suzuki japan would've mapped it to run on the least octane level? Must check up on the stock ECU maps for cars like these.

Tis a Suzuki M13A engine

what assurance do we have that what we are being sold here as 90 octane is really that?

in fact i'd be delighted to source a relatively cheap device that might indicate the octane level reliably so that i can better decide on what petrol to buy for my money. does anyone have any experience on the matter?