:: Air Filters Role ::

dragster · July 25, 2006

which part of a role does the Air Filter play in a Vehicles Fuel Consumption vise ? eg. a clean brand new air filter will play a 10% role in fuel consumption ?

Hola · October 10, 2006

Pericles said:

Well Speedholic has been saying something about him getting a Garrett turbo and putting it in my ride. I can be convinced if u are willing to put in ur expertise too All depends on the financial situ.

Do it brother for me the break down was this

K&N Filter - 9750

Silicon Reducer - 2500

Small K&N Filter for the bleeder valve - 2000

Elcardo pipe and chages - 2000

Do it and you will never regret.

Pericles · October 10, 2006

Hola said:

Do it brother for me the break down was this

K&N Filter - 9750

Silicon Reducer - 2500

Small K&N Filter for the bleeder valve - 2000

Elcardo pipe and chages - 2000

Do it and you will never regret.

U haven't added a turbo, dude. Turbos do complicate things coz u need to change the timing to suit it. Which might mean getting rid of my piggyback ECU, coz we cant program that locally. Turbo WITH VVL, god only knows. Lotsa research on this BEFORE we get into any of it.

I have a source for a programable ECU, but thats at least 40k there as well I aint getting this job done cheap, bro. And I might have another vehicle project coming up too, tho that is not too sure. Then I NEED money.

neXGen · October 10, 2006

Pericles said:

U haven't added a turbo, dude. Turbos do complicate things coz u need to change the timing to suit it. Which might mean getting rid of my piggyback ECU, coz we cant program that locally. Turbo WITH VVL, god only knows. Lotsa research on this BEFORE we get into any of it.

I have a source for a programable ECU, but thats at least 40k there as well I aint getting this job done cheap, bro. And I might have another vehicle project coming up too, tho that is not too sure. Then I NEED money.

Ya VZR an auto Pericles? Boosting an auto does seem to be kinda pointless in a way cuz da kick of listening to the turbo valvez gone.. but on a positive note.. therez no turbo lag from what me read.. reprogramming the ECU could be done most probably.. search for the specific model on the net and come up wit some type of a manual thingy which could assist man..

One thing i learnt, patience.. lolz.. nothing comes too quick in life as the best stuff are always late...

btw, could ya email me some pics of ya car bro? i have never seen a VZR frankly

zznexgen@gmail.com

Zz

Hola said:

Do it brother for me the break down was this

K&N Filter - 9750

Silicon Reducer - 2500

Small K&N Filter for the bleeder valve - 2000

Elcardo pipe and chages - 2000

Do it and you will never regret.

Engine to engine have variances bro :-) mine not blessed with a bleeder valve but it would sure look cool looking have a small filter lmao... what was the silicon used for eh?

Elcardo charged 2k!!!!? how big n complicated is the pipe?

Zz

Edited October 10, 2006 by neXGen

Pericles · October 10, 2006

neXGen said:

Ya VZR an auto Pericles?

Dude! WTF!?!

fuzzo · October 10, 2006

Pericles said:

Dude! WTF!?!

LOL.. made my day...

noaim · October 10, 2006

fuzzo said:

LOL.. made my day...

I choked on my drink... lol

Pericles · October 10, 2006

neXGen said:

btw, could ya email me some pics of ya car bro? i have never seen a VZR frankly

Aahhhhh, k.

http://forum.autolanka.com/index.php?s...ic=418&st=0

and

http://preveen.multiply.com/photos/photo/6/125

neXGen · October 10, 2006

Pericles said:

Dude! WTF!?!

lol.. i guess not.. believe me man.. frankly my knowledge on various engine modelz are limited for now.. so please do be surprised :-) please hook me up with some info relating to VZR if possible.. heard loadz about it but not in detail...

Zz

Pericles · October 10, 2006

neXGen said:

lol.. i guess not.. believe me man.. frankly my knowledge on various engine modelz are limited for now.. so please do be surprised :-) please hook me up with some info relating to VZR if possible.. heard loadz about it but not in detail...

Zz

There are two threads in the Nissan section of this forum that have thrashed out just about everything that can be said on VZ-Rs

neXGen said:

reprogramming the ECU could be done most probably.. search for the specific model on the net and come up wit some type of a manual thingy which could assist man..

This thing is a propriertary third party system, and they don't give out the system to anybody but their dealers. Tho I think there are 4-5 cars in SL with those chips, so someone really should start a dealership! The guy needs to come down from Singapore to tune it if we need any changes done.

neXGen · October 10, 2006

Pericles said:

There are two threads in the Nissan section of this forum that have thrashed out just about everything that can be said on VZ-Rs

This thing is a propriertary third party system, and they don't give out the system to anybody but their dealers. Tho I think there are 4-5 cars in SL with those chips, so someone really should start a dealership! The guy needs to come down from Singapore to tune it if we need any changes done.

Just read em hehe.. interesting to note though that 1.6L easily putting outt 170+ bhp... as for your ECU, yeah.. it would seem impossible getting it tuned.. is dere any model/reference number on it bro?

Zz

Hola · October 10, 2006

I dont think Staffords does ECu tuning. Their maha loku tune up is they clean the throtle with some spray - The End

porkster · October 10, 2006

Pericles said:

Well Speedholic has been saying something about him getting a Garrett turbo and putting it in my ride. I can be convinced if u are willing to put in ur expertise too All depends on the financial situ.

Hey dude,

I can put in a Garrett with my cohorts assistance but I would recommend the original Nissan Ceramic Twin BB turbos. They're damn good. For a full turbo installation with ECU piggy back, larger injectors and MAF, FMIC, recirculation valve, aluminm piping, silicone connectors will prolly run you around 3-400K. This is with all good parts and not any cheap ass Chinky crap.

In terms of your ECU it is best to leave it alone and let it control some functions and use a true piggyback like the Greddy units to program fuel and ignition. Also we can use it to control your Valve timing and lift parameters to match the extra boost.

Regardless I am sure it can be made to haul major ass!

Cheers, Porky

Pericles said:

U haven't added a turbo, dude. Turbos do complicate things coz u need to change the timing to suit it. Which might mean getting rid of my piggyback ECU, coz we cant program that locally. Turbo WITH VVL, god only knows. Lotsa research on this BEFORE we get into any of it.

I have a source for a programable ECU, but thats at least 40k there as well I aint getting this job done cheap, bro. And I might have another vehicle project coming up too, tho that is not too sure. Then I NEED money.

Timing needs to be retarded so as not to cause detonation but this can be done either with the Greddy unit or can be done manually with a timing light, no biggie. The Greddy e- Manage pro will cost more than 40K but then you don't have to keep paying to change it, we just plug the puppy into the laptop everytime we want to change parameters. Just geting an ECU reprogrammed or flash chipped is kinda dumb unless you want to stick with one setting.

Cheers, Porky

Pericles · October 10, 2006

porkster said:

Hey dude,

I can put in a Garrett with my cohorts assistance but I would recommend the original Nissan Ceramic Twin BB turbos. They're damn good. For a full turbo installation with ECU piggy back, larger injectors and MAF, FMIC, recirculation valve, aluminm piping, silicone connectors will prolly run you around 3-400K. This is with all good parts and not any cheap ass Chinky crap.

eh, OK. But I thought Garrett was one of the best out there. Doesn't the GT-R come with twin Garrett chargers?

I like the ceramic idea, but are u proposing twin chargers? lord... Have to see bout that. Also do I need larger injectors? N1 comes with 8 x 330cc injectors I'm following u on most of this, but I cant place MAF. Clarify?

noaim · October 10, 2006

Porky whats ur email addy dude, would like to drop u a mail..

Hola · October 10, 2006

monamonu said:

Porky whats ur email addy dude, would like to drop u a mail..

Elvis_Pil · October 10, 2006

Lots more from where that came slick..

madmax · October 10, 2006

porkster said:

I ain't taking sides all are invited, besides after I boost mine maybe I can convince Mr.VZR to boost his.....now that would be an interesting project indeed

Cheers, Porky

I know at-least one engine that got busted after boosting... I think if you want to run boost .. better to start with a factory turbo car and then work on it...

Hola · October 10, 2006

porkster · October 11, 2006

Pericles said:

eh, OK. But I thought Garrett was one of the best out there. Doesn't the GT-R come with twin Garrett chargers?

I like the ceramic idea, but are u proposing twin chargers? lord... Have to see bout that. Also do I need larger injectors? N1 comes with 8 x 330cc injectors I'm following u on most of this, but I cant place MAF. Clarify?

Hi Pravin,

Garrett is good and an industry standard turbo charger, the HKS and Holset ones are better. The ceramic blades allow the turbo to cool quicker due to its heat dissipating capability. I am not proosing twin chargers only one charger which we will intitally set boost at 8-10 psi. Twin turbos on a 4 cyclinder is kinda silly as we will have to go into getting the internals done, also I prefer to use a larger turbo from HKS if we want to boost over 400hp which won't be the case unless ur really nuts and have the funds to do it. Garrett did make some turbos for the GTR but the better ones are the original Nissan Nismo N1 (and other) turbos as Garrett didn't dabble into the ceramics issue.

Ah ok so your fuel rail supports 8 einjectors is it? Can you tell me the color of the tops of the injectors? From what I know the Denso injectors that are side feed came as red top = 270 cc and purple top =370 cc. Also pls let me know if they are top feed or side feed?

The issue with the MAF is that you sock one may max out at around 200hp therefore it won't send the signal to the ecu or the Greddy unit beyond 5v, at this point you can't push more hp as your MAF has maxed out so no signal to injector pulses to accomodate the larger air mass being sent from the turbo. With a larger MAF (like one from a Silvia....er and I have an extra one in stock hehehehe) we can safely flow over 250hp which gives us headroom to play around with and of course allows more boost. If you have 330 cc injectors they will max out at around 250hp I think as I know the 370 will max out at around 320hp (these are what I will run in my car).

Hope this helps, Cheers, Porky

monamonu said:

Porky whats ur email addy dude, would like to drop u a mail..

Hi Monamu,

Pleased to meet you, I may be contacted on plasmaim@yahoo.com

Cheers, Porky

porkster · October 11, 2006

madmax said:

I know at-least one engine that got busted after boosting... I think if you want to run boost .. better to start with a factory turbo car and then work on it...

Hi,

Yes he is absolutely correct, many people get into turboing their cars without understanding the complexity of the system. They put larger turbos than intended, they don't cool the turbo correctly, their turbo seals are gone, they don't compensate the larger air mass with fuel from bigger injectors (so it runs lean and blows the engine), they don't have proper oil and water feed lines to the turbo, they don't use the PROPER OIL...DUH....they don't run bigger MAFs.....etc

So yes there are quite a few issues when turbocharging a car....especially the ECU reprogram or the correct piggyback....when all these things AREN'T taken into consideration and the turbo is installed by some silly moron they blow their engines.

Also when initially installing a turbo if all of the above has been done right one must first run low boost, most Nissan, Mitsu and Toyota engines can take anywhere from 8-10 psi of boost safely on stock internals, for Subaru and Honda it is 7-9 psi. After this in order to increase boost it should be tuned with a wideband O2 sensor so that the richening process is done accordingly to the amount of higher boost, this way you don't run lean which will screw your happines. I don't recommend running higher boost that 12psi on stock internals (with all the other elements ie- injectors, MAF, intercooler, ECU in place and professionally installed and tuned), however if you have a methanol injection system in place, at least on my car it can hold upto 22psi of boost at max boost. This has to be correctly tuned with the ECU so that the alky injectors pulse kicks in at 4K rpm and goes to full width at around 6K+ rpm this allows for the hotter denser air sent from the turbo between 12psi to 22 psi to be quickly cooled before being ingested into the engine thus allowing for higher boost safely without melting the internals.

At the end of the day it should be a labor of love and I love my car.

Cheers, Porky

Elvis_Pil · October 11, 2006

Hola said:

I never claimed or tried to be funny slick

Hola · October 11, 2006

Peace!

Pericles · October 11, 2006

porkster said:

Hi Pravin,

Ah ok so your fuel rail supports 8 einjectors is it? Can you tell me the color of the tops of the injectors? From what I know the Denso injectors that are side feed came as red top = 270 cc and purple top =370 cc. Also pls let me know if they are top feed or side feed?

OK, some new stuff there, as to this, I think, and I need some confirmation on this, 4 are on the top and 4 are on the side. Cant see the side ones coz its behind the engine right and I haven't really looked for them, but they are there. 330cc is from a site somewhere, so it should be that unless someone played around with it before I got the car. Haven't checked it out to tell ya a color. Madmax should know, Ado, say something u b!

BTW, Porks, was talking to someone else about this too. Guy says that it should cost less and be less risky to get a GTiR/Silvia SR20DET and drop it in, rather than turboing the existing engine, as its a direct fit, and that should be 250hp directly. Specially cheaper as the piping will cost a lot. Watcha think?

And boys, knock it off with the pics. It is detracting the value of this thread.

noaim · October 11, 2006

Hola said:

sorry prav, had to!

and Hola,

1. Who in the right mind would want to mod a newly bought car, and that too a premio!

2. Its to clarify something, since i do own other cars too...

Edited October 11, 2006 by monamonu

Hola · October 11, 2006

Monamonu, cool down, you make jokes in other thread so can we...Why do you get hurt when we do a joke for you? Its all jokes...Calm down man. And glad you got other cars. Api ithin duppath Honda vitharai