Is It Advisable To Go For A 2008 Toyota Belta? Experts Please Advice

Donnie Brasco · July 18, 2011

Dear All,

Appreciate if you could let me know whether it is advisable to go for a 2008 Belta 1000cc car.If anyone who's using this car currently out there please let me know if there're any issues.1000cc engine is what's bugging me alot. Any advice is highly appreciated.

Cheers!!!

Watchman · July 19, 2011

in short 'no'.

If you wanna find our why do a search and you'll find out

Donnie Brasco · July 19, 2011

Dear members,

I highly appreciate if you could let me know the facts.So it will help me to take a decision based on facts. My concern is whether the engine will be enough for a sedan like that.And i will be putting this car for a cab service.

Cheers!

Edited July 19, 2011 by Donnie Brasco

Ruslan · July 19, 2011

Dear members,

I highly appreciate if you could let me know the facts.So it will help me to take a decision based on facts. My concern is whether the engine will be enough for a sedan like that.And i will be putting this car for a cab service.

Cheers!

Why don't you do a search mate, that makes every ones lives easier.. ok here we go..

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Belta+1000Cc+Or+1300CC%2BAutoLanka

Edited July 19, 2011 by Ruslan

nexus · July 19, 2011

Dear members,

I highly appreciate if you could let me know the facts.So it will help me to take a decision based on facts. My concern is whether the engine will be enough for a sedan like that.And i will be putting this car for a cab service.

Cheers!

in this case you better of with 1.3 or 1.5 car.

ShintaroX · July 19, 2011

Dear members,

I highly appreciate if you could let me know the facts.So it will help me to take a decision based on facts. My concern is whether the engine will be enough for a sedan like that.And i will be putting this car for a cab service.

Cheers!

Lol Don't know if the engineers at Toyota are as stupid as you imply!

Schiffer · July 19, 2011

No

Donnie Brasco · July 19, 2011

Ok,Thank you all for the feedback!

Cheers!

toyota sucks · July 19, 2011

Dear All,

Appreciate if you could let me know whether it is advisable to go for a 2008 Belta 1000cc car.If anyone who's using this car currently out there please let me know if there're any issues.1000cc engine is what's bugging me alot. Any advice is highly appreciated.

Cheers!!!

If u don't go fast or in the hill country the

engine would drag the car around flat land at about 40-60kmph,-u'll lose u'r fun

fuel efficiency will be reduced by the number of passengers - so u'll lose u'r friends

the car looks ugly - u'll lose u'r wife

It's better to go for an old 121, or a yarris bought for the permits (same car, same age, 1300cc slightly better performance, almost same money)

if u'r not a toyota bloody idiot

go for an used euro

Edited July 19, 2011 by toyota sucks

Dinuk · July 19, 2011

It's better to go for an old 121, or a yarris bought for the permits (same car, same age, 1300cc slightly better performance, almost same money)

if u'r not a toyota bloody idiot

Actually I like that part.... Yes Toyota really sucks...

Edited July 19, 2011 by Dinuk

CyRaX · July 19, 2011

Actually I like that part.... Yes Toyota really sucks...

Just because a few suck,it doesnt mean that the Toyota brand as a whole sucks lol

varunatech · July 20, 2011

It all depends on your requirement.

Toyota Belta is designed to run with 1000cc and 1300cc engines (kind of same frame with 1500cc in Vios).

With the linear power output of the VVT-i engine, efficiency of the CVT transmission and with the overall light weight of the car, a 1300cc engine is just fine.

A 1000cc engine lacks the VVT-i but the other qualities are the same.

Therefore, if your requirement is to have a compact Sedan which has good build quality and enough power to quickly accelerate (even with four people and luggage) 1300cc is the option.

But if you are just a office commuter and use the car mainly in City, a 1000cc will do. You may need to sacrifice a some quick acceleration under load. again this is a relative thing and may probably suit your life style.

One thing to note with 1000cc is that Sri Lanka car community does not like 1000cc engines. You may have a tough time in resale and resales value. But again if your current concern is low capital cost and City commuting in a Compact Sedan.......Belta is a good car with good quality.

ShintaroX · July 20, 2011

Before you buy it, just note that a brand new Yaris from Toyota Lanka is a little under 4 mill. Worth it IMHO.

Toyota1990 · July 20, 2011

Belta 1000 cc is a non vvti engine so its kinda a petrol thirst coz of its weight to engine capacity ratio. but 1300 cc comes with a VVTi engine which is good on fuel but the thing is both 1000 cc and 1300 cc engine capacities are not a good capacity for a sedan like the Belta. but if you really want to go for a Belta, then 1300 cc will be a better option. the price difference would be somewhere around 0.3 million max

cheerz

nexus · July 20, 2011

Actually I like that part.... Yes Toyota really sucks...

as CyRaX pointed out few maybe sucks but that doesn't mean they are all sucks over price and over hype perhaps but the fact is toyota doesn't sucks if you going around saying that you become no better than toyota sucks. :rolleyes:

Schiffer · July 20, 2011

as CyRaX pointed out few maybe sucks but that doesn't mean they are all sucks over price and over hype perhaps but the fact is toyota doesn't sucks if you going around saying that you become no better than toyota sucks.

+1

varunatech · July 20, 2011

Belta 1000 cc is a non vvti engine so its kinda a petrol thirst coz of its weight to engine capacity ratio. but 1300 cc comes with a VVTi engine which is good on fuel but the thing is both 1000 cc and 1300 cc engine capacities are not a good capacity for a sedan like the Belta. but if you really want to go for a Belta, then 1300 cc will be a better option. the price difference would be somewhere around 0.3 million max

cheerz

Agree with you that 1000cc is not VVTi hence the engine is not efficient compared to 1300cc for the same weight to power ratio.

Following are things to think......before concluding.

Do we have any figures for 1000cc fuel hungriness. And what are the facts that 1300cc is "not good" for a Sedan like Belta.

My experience with 1NZ-FE engines, Beltas, Vios, Vitzs is that 1300cc engine is pretty decent with the weight and the CVT of the Belta/Vitz

1000cc is mathematically low power and will burn more fuel to produce the same energy required to beat the road, air friction etc..

But can be a good choice for a price sensitive, City commuter.

Txs.

Watchman · July 20, 2011

Do we have any figures for 1000cc fuel hungriness. And what are the facts that 1300cc is "not good" for a Sedan like Belta.

Thats why every tom dick and harry shouldn't think he's an expert and start giving advice.

+ I dont see how buying a cheaper 1000cc helps a price sensitive person. Would you rather spend 300k more buying a 1300cc car and get that back when selling the car; or would you rather just loose whatever money you spend on the extra fuel consumption of a 1000cc car

varunatech · July 20, 2011

Thats why every tom dick and harry shouldn't think he's an expert and start giving advice.

+ I dont see how buying a cheaper 1000cc helps a price sensitive person. Would you rather spend 300k more buying a 1300cc car and get that back when selling the car; or would you rather just loose whatever money you spend on the extra fuel consumption of a 1000cc car

Mate.......the answer was targeted to envision him to think more on his actual requirement. Do a full TCO and ROI calculation and see whether the fuel saving of the 1300cc will fill be a factor after 3 to 4 years. I have done detailed calculations on different vehicles using realistic data. My view is based on that.

Again the point is, every individual has different requirements......can be Prestige, just move from A to B, Off Road, long distance travel, large family etc.. The intention is to help him to see that. There are enough engine, model, brand, new, recon, used options in the market. Once the fellow know his requirement he will choose the right fit.

toyota sucks · July 20, 2011

Before you buy it, just note that a brand new Yaris from Toyota Lanka is a little under 4 mill. Worth it IMHO.

I think it's definetely worth considering recondition beltas going for about 3.5

Rebel · July 20, 2011

Mate.......the answer was targeted to envision him to think more on his actual requirement. Do a full TCO and ROI calculation and see whether the fuel saving of the 1300cc will fill be a factor after 3 to 4 years. I have done detailed calculations on different vehicles using realistic data. My view is based on that.

Again the point is, every individual has different requirements......can be Prestige, just move from A to B, Off Road, long distance travel, large family etc.. The intention is to help him to see that. There are enough engine, model, brand, new, recon, used options in the market. Once the fellow know his requirement he will choose the right fit.

Would you mind sharing you calculations with us? Cos most people would agree that the 1000 cc variant does poorer on fuel efficiency than the 1300cc version. So just curious on you TCO calculations?

ROI???? er a car is NOT an investment so just curios how you did this...

Edited July 20, 2011 by Rebel

varunatech · July 21, 2011

Would you mind sharing you calculations with us? Cos most people would agree that the 1000 cc variant does poorer on fuel efficiency than the 1300cc version. So just curious on you TCO calculations?

ROI???? er a car is NOT an investment so just curios how you did this...

Calculations are multiple equations. If possible I will share the excel. For Fuel economy it is simple. If 1300cc does 12km/l in CMB city and 1000cc 10.5km/l, you know how much you pay more for the 1000cc per km and for an average month. Then you can get the cost of having 1000cc vs 1300cc for four or five years just on fuel cost. Do the math and see after entering realistic figures based on your expected driving pattern. You will see whether the saving is worth or not. You may need to add inflation parameters if you compare against the capital cost difference at the time of purchase.

ROI can be +/-. You know your investment (capital cost), you know the expenses on maintenance you incur for a given period of time. You can judge the value of your car at the end of the said period (based on prior data on similar cars, growth in economy, and using gut feeling and rule of thumb). Then at the end of the said period you know whether you gain or loose. Can calculate and see what is the best outcome.

Usually unpopular options like 1000cc is lower ROI than 1300cc. But the buyers current finance pressures may call for a 1000cc.

Multiple factors, kind of fun to analyze.

Rebel · July 21, 2011

Calculations are multiple equations. If possible I will share the excel. For Fuel economy it is simple. If 1300cc does 12km/l in CMB city and 1000cc 10.5km/l, you know how much you pay more for the 1000cc per km and for an average month. Then you can get the cost of having 1000cc vs 1300cc for four or five years just on fuel cost. Do the math and see after entering realistic figures based on your expected driving pattern. You will see whether the saving is worth or not. You may need to add inflation parameters if you compare against the capital cost difference at the time of purchase.

ROI can be +/-. You know your investment (capital cost), you know the expenses on maintenance you incur for a given period of time. You can judge the value of your car at the end of the said period (based on prior data on similar cars, growth in economy, and using gut feeling and rule of thumb). Then at the end of the said period you know whether you gain or loose. Can calculate and see what is the best outcome.

Usually unpopular options like 1000cc is lower ROI than 1300cc. But the buyers current finance pressures may call for a 1000cc.

Multiple factors, kind of fun to analyze.

First of, a car is not an investment. Trying to analyse anything using a formula or tool or concept that wasn't meant for it in the first place doesn't make sense. Hence my comment with re: to the ROI.

Secondly, trying to "judge the future value of a car" in a world that is neither linear nor static is impractical to say the least(put it politely). Plus a difference of just 1.5 kmpl is pretty far fetched.

But then this is just my opinion.. no need to argue about it. Publishing your calculations would be helpful though..

varunatech · July 22, 2011

First of, a car is not an investment. Trying to analyse anything using a formula or tool or concept that wasn't meant for it in the first place doesn't make sense. Hence my comment with re: to the ROI.

Secondly, trying to "judge the future value of a car" in a world that is neither linear nor static is impractical to say the least(put it politely). Plus a difference of just 1.5 kmpl is pretty far fetched.

But then this is just my opinion.. no need to argue about it. Publishing your calculations would be helpful though..

Thank you for your view.

When we say investment, the result can be + or -. The effort was to see how minus it is.

Yes models are very fragile, but we need some frame work to work on. Probably the results may be far from truth at the end of 4 to 5 years. But there is fun and enjoyment in doing this. Will see how I can share the calculations.

Txs.

dude · August 25, 2011

It all depends on your requirement.

Toyota Belta is designed to run with 1000cc and 1300cc engines (kind of same frame with 1500cc in Vios).

With the linear power output of the VVT-i engine, efficiency of the CVT transmission and with the overall light weight of the car, a 1300cc engine is just fine.

A 1000cc engine lacks the VVT-i but the other qualities are the same.

Therefore, if your requirement is to have a compact Sedan which has good build quality and enough power to quickly accelerate (even with four people and luggage) 1300cc is the option.

But if you are just a office commuter and use the car mainly in City, a 1000cc will do. You may need to sacrifice a some quick acceleration under load. again this is a relative thing and may probably suit your life style.

One thing to note with 1000cc is that Sri Lanka car community does not like 1000cc engines. You may have a tough time in resale and resales value. But again if your current concern is low capital cost and City commuting in a Compact Sedan.......Belta is a good car with good quality.

hey dude are u sure the 1000cc is not a VVT-i engine?