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Found this interesting. What are your opinions? I think he raises quite a few good points.

Why Front-Wheel Drive Sucks

Why Front-Wheel Drive Sucks

And why rear-wheel drive is coming back.

By Mickey Kaus

Updated Friday, April 11, 2003, at 7:06 AM ET

Friday, April 11, 2003

Car/sex metaphors are unavoidable, so let's get right to today's: Front-wheel drive cars are like bad sex. Rear-wheel drive cars are like good sex.

Let me explain!

Sometime in the early 1980s, I asked my friend Paul why he drove a crass Chevy Camaro. He said he liked the "balance" of a rear-wheel drive car. I nodded but secretly sneered at him. Everyone knew that front-wheel drive cars were the efficient, sophisticated wave of the future. Audis were front-wheel drive. Saabs were front-drive. GM, Ford, and Chrysler were about to embark on a massive shift to front-drive, resulting in the current Detroit product lineup, in which even the venerable Caddy DeVille is a front-drive car.

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The advantages of front-wheel drive (FWD) seem self evident: By avoiding the need for a driveshaft connecting the engine in front with the rear wheels, front-drive cars save space. The entire drivetrain can be packed into a neat compartment in the front, leaving the rest of the car's volume for passengers and cargo. Plus, front-drive cars have better traction in slippery conditions (in part because the weight of the engine is on top of the wheels that are providing the power).

I should have realized the grim truth decades ago when I borrowed a friend's Audi 100 –- the first front-drive car I'd ever driven -- and took it out on Sunset Boulevard. In one of the curves leaving Beverly Hills, near the pink house that used to be owned by Jayne Mansfield, I mashed the throttle, expecting the satisfying "lock in" effect I got in my old rear-drive Volvo – the nose turning in, the car seeming to stop slipping, tightening its grip on the road even as it went around the corner faster. But that's not what happened. What happened is the front tires went all gooey and the car started to head for the living room of a nearby mansion. Only panicked braking calmed things down.

Naturally, my brain did what the human brain tends to do with a bit of aberrant data: I ignored it. All during the '80s and '90s the car magazines assured me, seemingly continually, that in sophisticated front-drive designs you couldn't even tell which set of tires was providing the power. Weren't front-drive Hondas the hippest cars around? Wasn't even Volvo switching, belatedly, to front drive? I also blamed the victim! I must just be a lousy or unsophisticated driver, I figured.

Then, a bit over a year ago, I conducted an abortive test drive of five convertibles. The idea was to sample cars that had at least a semblance of a rear seat. The entrants were Ford Mustang, Chevy Camaro, VW Cabriolet, Chrysler Sebring, and Toyota Solara. And that was the order of finishing (though the test was interrupted by 9/11 before I could drive a final production version of the Toyota). None of the cars was very good – you give up a lot in chassis stability when you chop off the roof, I discovered. But the old, junky, rear-drive Ford and Chevy pony cars were by far the most enjoyable – they rattled and guzzled, but at least they were a blast to drive around corners. The other three cars, all front-drive, were simply pleasant forms of transportation.

Why are rear-drive cars more fun? Every enthusiast may know the answer, but I didn't. So I called up a helpful GM suspension expert, Vehicle Chief Engineer Ed Zellner. There are, I learned, five basic reasons:

1) "Balance": The car rides on four patches of rubber, each about as big as your hand. An ideal car would distribute its weight evenly, so each tire had to bear the same load, and none would give way earlier than all the others. The ideal weight distribution, then, would be split about 50/50 between front and rear (actually, 48/52 to help with forward pitch during braking). "A rear-drive car can typically approach that," says Zellner. Engineers can move the front wheels forward, so that the engine – which doesn't have to be connected to those wheels -- sits behind the front axle. Meanwhile, the driveshaft and rear differential (necessary to send power to the rear tires) add weight in the rear. Front-drive cars, which must connect the engine and transmission to the front axle, typically have their engines mounted way forward and can't do much better than a 60/40 front/rear weight distribution.

2) Center of Gravity: This is the point the car wants to "rotate around" in a turn. On a rear-drive car, it's "about where the driver sits," says Zellner. In a turn, in other words, the car seems to be rotating around you – you're at the center. It's a natural pleasant effect, suggesting you're in control, the way you're in control when you're walking or running around a corner and your weight is centered inside you. (Analogy No. 2: It's like wearing stereo headphones and having the sound centered between your ears!) A front-drive car, in contrast, with its massive front weight bias, wants to rotate around a point in front of the driver. So in a corner, the driver isn't just rotating around his spine. He's moving sideways, as if he were a tether ball on the end of a rope, or Linus being dragged when Snoopy gets hold of his blanket. Not such a pleasant feeling, or a feeling that gives you a sense of natural control.

3) "Torque Steer": One of the most annoying habits of many powerful front-drive cars is that they don't go straight when you step on the accelerator! Instead, they pull to one side, requiring you to steer in the other direction to compensate, like on a damn boat. This "torque steer" usually happens because the drive shafts that connect the engine to the front wheels aren't the same length. Under power, the shafts wind up like springs. The longer shaft -- typically on the right -- winds up a bit more, while the shorter left shaft winds up less and transmits its power to the ground more quickly, which has the effect of pulling the car to the left. (This winding-up phenomenon occurs the moment you step on the pedal. After that, the wind-up relaxes, but "torque steer" can still be produced by the angles of the joints in the drive axles as the whole drivetrain twists on its rubber mounts.)

Veer madness?Veer madness?Engineers try various strategies to control this veering tendency, but even designing shafts of equal length (as in all Cadillacs) doesn't completely solve the problem because the engine still twists a bit in its mounts and alters the angles of the drive shafts. True, some manufacturers -- Audi, for example -- are said to do a particularly good job of repressing torque steer . But even a top-rank company such as Nissan has problems -- its otherwise appealing new front-drive Maxima is said to be plagued by big-time, uninhibited torque steer. Rear-drive cars, meanwhile, don't really have a torque-steer problem that needs repressing. Their power goes to the rear through one driveshaft to a center differential that can a ) have equal-length shafts coming out from it and b ) be more firmly mounted.

4) Weight Shift: Suppose you just want to go in a straight line. What's the best way to get traction? Answer: Have as much weight over the driving wheels as possible. Front-drive cars start with an advantage -- but when any car accelerates, the front end tips up, and the rear end squats down. This transfers weight to the rear wheels -- away from the driving wheels in a FWD car but toward the driving wheels in a rear-drive car, where it adds to available traction. In effect, the laws of physics conspire to give RWD cars a bit more grip where they need it when they need it. (This salutary effect is more than canceled out in slippery, wet conditions, where you aren't going to stomp on the accelerator. Then, FWD cars have the edge, in part, because they start out with so much more of their weight over both the driving and the turning wheels. Also, it's simply more stable to pull a heavy wheeled object than to push it -- as any hotel bellhop steering a loaded luggage cart knows. In snow, FWD cars have a third advantage in that they pull the car through the path the front tires create, instead of turning the front tires into mini-snowplows.)

5) "Oversteer" and the Semi-Orgasmic Lock-In Effect: In a rear-drive car, there's a division of labor -- the front tires basically steer the car, and the rear tires push the car down the road. In a FWD car, the front tires do all the work – both steering and applying the power to the road – while the rears are largely along for the ride. That, it turns out, is asking a lot of the front tires. Since the driving wheels tend to lose traction first, the front tires of front-drive cars invariably start slipping in a corner before the lightly loaded rear tires do -- a phenomenon known as "understeer." If you go too fast into a curve -- I mean really too fast -- the car will plow off the road front end first. In rear-drive cars, the rear wheels tend to lose traction first, and the rear of the car threatens to swing around and pass the front end -- "oversteer." If you go too fast into a corner in an oversteering car, the car will tend to spin and fly off the road rear end first.

What's the best way to fly off the road? Safety types prefer frontwards -- understeer. Why? To control an oversteering skid, where the rear wheels are heading for the weeds, you have to both slow down and counterintuitively turn the wheel in the opposite of the direction you're turning. In a front-drive car, with the front wheels slipping, you slow down and keep turning the way you'd been turning to get around the corner in the first place -- a more natural maneuver, since you're pointing the car in the direction you want to go. This is why, for safety reasons, even rear-drive cars sold to average consumers tend to have their springs and other suspension bits set up to make them understeer -- to make the front tires slip first, despite the car's innate oversteering tendency. Only by applying lots of power in a corner can you actually break the rear end of a bread-and-butter rear-drive car like the Mustang loose -- a maneuver favored by sports car freaks, but one you try at your own peril.

Big American manufacturers (all heavily invested in front drive) like to say that for 99 percent of drivers, driving at normal speeds, FWD's inherent understeer and better traction in the wet makes it preferable -- both safer and easier to drive quickly. It's only the 1 percent of speed freaks who enjoy breaking the rear end loose and then catching it with a bit of "reverse lock." Here's where I emphatically dissent.

It's pretty clear to me, after driving hundreds of different vehicles over several decades, that rear drive offers a big aesthetic advantage to ordinary drivers at ordinary speeds in ordinary conditions. Why? The lock-in effect I mentioned earlier. Suppose you go into a corner in a rear-drive car at a reasonable, safe, legal speed. Nothing's about to skid. But you can still feel the front end starting to plow wide a bit. What to do? Step on the gas! Don't stomp on it -- but add a bit of power, and a miraculous thing happens. The front end swings back in, the car tightens its line. Cornering traction seems to increase. And the car feels locked into a groove, balanced between the motive power from the rear and the turning power in the front.

Hit the brake?Hit the brake?You don't have to be a race driver to feel this. You can be a defensive driver and feel it. You can be driving a 1973 Ford Maverick with leaking shocks and you'll feel it. Accountants feel it on the way to the office and housewives feel it on the way to the Safeway. Even Ralph Nader probably feels it. It's a good part of what makes driving a car a sensual act. (What's happening, technically? None of the tires is at its limit of adhesion. But the added speed is making the front tires --which [since they are undriven] have plenty of surplus traction -- apply more force to the road surface to change direction. Meanwhile, the rear of the car is shifting outward, ever so slightly -- not a Bullitt-style power slide, but a subtle attitude adjustment that cancels the plowing effect. The power "helps you through the corner," as Zellner puts it.)

This doesn't happen in a front-drive car. The best an ordinary driver can hope for in a FWD car is that it "corners as if on rails" -- no slippage at all. No plowing -- but also no semi-orgasmic "lock in." More typically, if you hit the accelerator in a fast corner, things get mushy up front (as they did that evening near Jayne Mansfield's house). The lesson the FWD car seems to be teaching is: Try to go faster, and you're punished. Front-drive cars are Puritans! In a rear-drive car, you hit the accelerator and things get better! Rear-drive cars are hedonists. (This is assuming you don't hit the accelerator too hard.)

No front-drive hereNo front-drive hereI'm not saying there aren't sophisticated techniques that allow FWD cars to do better. A recent issue of Grassroots Motorsports tested a humble FWD Acura RSX against a classy rear-drive BMW. The Acura actually turned laps a bit more quickly. How'd that happen? The Grassroots people realized that by stepping on the brake hard enough on entering a turn, the rear of the Acura could be made to swing wide, canceling out its inherent understeer. (This is the same effect you get by stepping on the gas in a rear-drive car.) But normal drivers aren't going to mash the brakes and go sliding through turns like a rally champion. Nor does braking to achieve "lock-in" seem as satisfying as accelerating to achieve lock in. I suppose I shouldn't knock it until I've tried it -- but I'm not going to try it! That's the point. Housewives heading to the Safeway aren't going to try it either. The joys of rear-drive are accessible to them -- it's the joys of FWD that are reserved for the skilled Grassroots Motorsport elite.

Explaining SUVs: Now that the goo-goo bien pensant scales have fallen from my eyes, and I recognize the front-drive-for-the-masses movement as the Carter-era energy crisis con it is, several previously inexplicable things become explicable. Why did truck-based SUVs suddenly become popular just as Detroit shifted to front-wheel drive for its passenger cars? Was it (as anti-SUV activists claim) because the SUVs were exempt from various safety and economy standards -- or because the SUVs still had rear-wheel drive, with all its subtle satisfactions? Why do all BMWs (and virtually all Mercedes-Benzes) persist in using rear-wheel drive? Why do my friends, who aren't fast drivers, say that BMWs just feel better?

It's also now clear to me why Acura is in trouble (it only offers FWD sedans), why GM is busy working on a new "Tubular" rear-drive chassis, why the Infiniti G-35 and Lexus IS-300 (both rear drive) are so popular, and why the RWD Cadillac CTS and Lincoln LS are so refreshing to drive.

I'm not saying that any rear-wheel-drive car is better than any front-wheel-drive car, the way, say, any car with plain black tires looks better than any car with whitewalls. But it's close! Front-drive cars can be fun. Even bad sex is fun. But why choose it? 3:39 A.M.

More relief for the rich: BMW design chief Chris Bangle may have surrendered in his campaign to make BMWs live up to some hothouse avant-garde art text. Autoweek reports that Bangle's team has been desperately restyling the expensive new 7-series sedan, removing forced eccentricities like the weird "eyebrows" molded into the headlights. ... Gee, it seems like only a few months ago that Bangle was boasting in the NYT that this very sedan was "the first car of the century ... miles apart from anything that came before." ... And the 7-series isn't even the ugly one! That would be the disastrously "flame surfaced" Z4 sports car. It's the one that's "as big a jump in terms of aesthetic value systems as there was between an Eve before the fall... and an Eve after the fall," according to Bangle. ... [Wasn't this item also in kausfiles?-ed. Yes. Time-Warner/AOL wishes it had this kind of synergy.] ... 12:57 A.M.

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A bit long, but this is a magazine writers take on FWD. Personally, I don't agree, but just to show another POV. Besides, he treats Civic drivers in a not-so-complementary fashion. This is from Winding Road magazine.

Reilly Brennan:

How to beat rear-wheel drive

It is my opinion that America’s recent rear-wheel-drive renaissance is not the result of a rekindled love affair with rear-wheel drive dynamics, but, instead, is a direct response to some very effective and very emotive rear-wheel drive designs. Rear-wheel-drive hits of recent fanfare, such as the Ford Mustang, seemed to be clear evidence that America loves rear-wheel drive, right? I wouldn’t be so sure. Rear-wheel drive should not be thought of simply as a layout; it’s actually an emotional theme.

The good news for manufacturers who are tied to front-wheel-drive platforms is that this shouldn’t be an obstacle. Rear-wheel-drive looks can be achieved in front-wheel drive packaging. It just requires unique architecture and thoughtful design.

On the surface, there seems to be an undying league of engineers and automotive executives who believe that the only route to honest performance credentials is via the rear wheels. One typical response from these rear-drive fans usually centers around the notion that front-wheel-drive enthusiasts are typically in love with Japanese products—notable exceptions being cars such as the Dodge SRT-4, Chevrolet Cobalt SS, and the late Ford SVT Focus. Those “kids” who like a Civic more than a Camaro clearly don’t have any real car guy in them.

Whether or not the typical Civic buyer makes his or her purchase based on any sort of cultural bias is a topic better left for a P.J. O’Rourke column, but it’s obvious that those younger buyers don’t let it cloud their judgment. Like it or not, there are significant numbers of car buyers in this country who did not live through World War II. Many of them couldn’t name the three Axis Powers. Many of them love Japanese products because today’s eighteen to-thirty-five year-olds grew up on Nintendo, Mr. Miyagi, Transformers, and the Sony Walkman during the 1980s. If there’s a bias for the 18-35 age group, I venture that it’s against American products and against the typical tire-smokin’ Motor Trend cover.

The real fact remains that most children of the 1980s started buying used cars in the 1990s. At that time, used cars with some sporting potential were typically second- or third-hand Toyotas or Hondas, or the occasional Volkswagen. Front-wheel drive was not necessarily the layout of choice of that buying class (rear-wheel-drive cars didn’t typically fall into the price range of most first-time buyers), but it became the training ground on which millions of Americans learned to drive. Whether or not rearwheel-drive cars look better (typically, yes) was not something that the used car buyer thought about when they went for their $3000 automotive purchase.

Right now there is a wide-open space in the market for front-wheel-drive cars with rear-wheel-drive design proportions. What many manufacturers fail to realize is that some performance enthusiasts might prefer front-wheel drive. But, the market is correctly rewarding rear-wheel-drive design themes. How does a company get the best of both? Unfortunately it appears that most competing executives look at the Chrysler

300 and come up with their best rear-wheel-drive response. What they should be doing is responding to the

300’s classic rear-wheel-drive proportions, not necessarily its drive system.

“There are people who are perfectly happy with front-wheel-drive and favor it,” said John Wolkonowicz, chief automotive strategist at forecasting firm Global Insight, in a recent interview. “The auto business is a ‘monkey see, monkey do’ type of industry. Once something becomes hot because somebody has had some success with it, everybody has to jump on the bandwagon. I’m afraid that BMW, over the long term, and the Chrysler 300 and Ford Mustang, over the short term, convinced everyone that rear-wheel drive is the thing to have. I don’t think everyone thinks through the real reasoning as to why this is true, but I would say everyone would agree it’s the hot trend.”

“One of the things I’ve been an advocate of is simply turning the engine so it sits behind the front axle line, instead of in front of it,” continued Wolkonowicz. “It creates a car with rear-wheel-drive proportions and weight distribution with great traction in the snow. If you don’t have to have your engine way out front, you can remove some of the evils of front-wheel-drive design, including the long front overhangs. It’s possible to create a front-wheeldrive car with rear-wheel-drive proportions, but the industry isn’t doing it.”

The first mass-produced front-wheeldrive car in the world, Citroën’s Traction Avant (French for “traction from the front”), had proportions that made it appear to be a rear-wheel-drive car and clearly predate Wolkonowicz’s playbook. Obviously, the car had only decades of rear-wheel-drive design to draw from when it launched to the public at the 1934 Paris auto show. The fact that the engine sat behind the front axle gave

the André Lefèbvre-designed car a long hood and could have easily posed as a rear-driver. In fact, it was known at the time as “the gangster’s car,” a description that has found its way into more than a few Chrysler 300 reviews.

A new car that took the best of rearwheel-drive design (long hood, short front overhangs, rearward cabin, low hood height-to-wheel arch ratio) and the best of front-wheel drive (lower cost, lower weight, better slippery surface traction) could be combined in one red-hot, performance-minded automobile. And from what we know of the children of the 1980s, Civic buyers, or however one describes the front-drive lovers, there are scores of people who have learned to love the dynamics of front-wheel driving.

Although it was not a product success, Acura attempted this very solution, but at the wrong time and most likely at the wrong price point. The 1992-94 Acura Vigor had its longitudinally-mounted five-cylinder engine directly over the front axle in an attempt to improve front-wheel-drive design. The right half-shaft actually passed through the cast aluminum oil pan and cylinder block directly beneath the third cylinder. By running the driveshaft through the pan and banking the engine 35 degrees on its side, Acura engineers placed the engine very low, thereby lowering the center of gravity for better handling and lowering the hood height for visibility. Unfortunately for Acura, the Vigor flopped. Those benefits were not communicated to the right buyers at the right time, but their unique solution might be something that someone should revisit.

Our editor-in-chief, David E. Davis, Jr., does not think that front-wheel drive is a disadvantage, although he has been witness to various top-level automobile executives savaging front-wheel drive because it doesn’t make them look beautiful on an autocross circuit. Nor would many executives who are currently rebranding themselves as genuine “car guys” do themselves any good by embracing front-wheel drive. In our recent discussion about front-wheel drive, David E. told me, “if America’s drivers ever start trying to use the better-handling-at-the-limit advantages conferred by rear-wheel drive, we’ll have dads and uncles dying

in ditches all over America.”

If there are millions of Americans who know (and love) front-wheel-drive cars, why not make them beautiful?

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