Civic Multimatic Gear Box Repairs

[crankshaft]

hi,

Is repairing multimatic gear box different from a normal gear box? Are there good repairing places in sri lanka for multimatcs?

thanks

[Elvis_Pil]

when you say normal I assume you mean non-multimatic gear boxes- I dont know much about this- but honda multimatics are CVT so you will need a specialized person for the job, as its far more complex than normal ones. As far as I know there are not many people in SL who can do this job. The common practice is to simply change the whole gear box in case of a fault- I think this would be a good option as the wear and tear on belt driven automatics are anyway high so if the gear box has done around 100k it makes sense to replace it rather than trying to restore it. You could also convert it to manual easily if its a pre 2000 model

Edited May 3, 2008 by Elvis_Pil

[priya]

hi,

Is repairing multimatic gear box different from a normal gear box? Are there good repairing places in sri lanka for multimatcs?

thanks

Listen!one of my friends bought a Civic RS 1999 Multimatic. after riding it for 2 months gearbox busted! Checked with agents for price and they said a thumping Rs:250,000 and since he couldn't afford it checked with second hand ..and that Rs50,000/=. He had no choice but to replace second hand and that too got busted after 4 months now..Next he bought a civic SIR II in this reverse gear always jumps forward He was so frustrated he gave up honda and now into Mazda....I begin to think if its something wrong with person or something wrong with the model....or Finally with the brand(which I don't think it is!) Since I see so many Civic RS's running around. If you want more gearbox info give me a buzz I can give you his contact so to see how he will praise the CVT!

[RACERSEDGE]

priya yo friend must hv got a 99 virs.. with sheering shift gears..well that gear box is bit trikey.needs good attention. mate theres nothing wrong with da brand..ha ha maybe that model..the 96-99 normal ek3 version muslimatic is bit ok than the virs gear box..CRANKSHAFT MATE>>THERE ARE FEW WHO REPAIRS THIS COMMON PRCTICE IS TO PUT A RECON>>PRICE AVRG FROM 35-50t

[priya]

priya yo friend must hv got a 99 virs.. with sheering shift gears..well that gear box is bit trikey.needs good attention. mate theres nothing wrong with da brand..ha ha maybe that model..the 96-99 normal ek3 version muslimatic is bit ok than the virs gear box..CRANKSHAFT MATE>>THERE ARE FEW WHO REPAIRS THIS COMMON PRCTICE IS TO PUT A RECON>>PRICE AVRG FROM 35-50t

Thanks mate. So it means that this model gearbox is a bit twichy!!! But there are plenty around of this model isnt it muchung? Well muchun on first impression now I would never by a multimatic virs..Only a manual.!

[leonardo]

my take on this whole thing is be very careful when buying any used vehicle with a CVT gearbox especially if there is no proper vehicle service history.

most of the time the owners would not have replaced the transmission fluid at all, and those who have would not have replaced it with CVT fluid which causes all sorts of a problems.

strange but true that A*W are very reluctant to replace the CVT fluid in primeras because they say once you replace it the gearbox will fail. that doesn't help. if the agents are too scared to replace it and take responsibility, who will?

[RACERSEDGE]

yep priya go for the manual..its totally a diffrent car than the mltimatic..check out dilans car on a satday night @ pilla..u can feel the differance..too bad kris sold his baby...yep lot of multimatics around mate

[Elvis_Pil]

@ Leonardo- interesting point on the Primera's - I thought it was just me but A*W insist on running CVT fluid upto and beyond the reccomended Km's- they get very defensive, when you wanna be proactive and change the stuff early

[jaga]

All CVT gear box users have to change the CVT gear box oil in every 20000 km for safer side. Oil quality change is the basic reason for CVT gear box malfunctioning.This is not because of HONDA make. This problem is commen in all brands.

If u have problem with the CVT gear box might as well you go for normal Automatic gear box.

[Aazim_G]

Very Sorry to hear of ur Transmission crakshaft... There's Something seriously wrong with the honda CVT's... I busted mine as well ( Honda Fit ARIA - CITY ).. Its got a manufacture fault on it...

I had to replace the Transmission ... The agents really Rip u apart... I got mine repalced by a guy working for Sta**ord... Dude is reasonable and knows whats he's doing... He even showd me a CVT belt removed from a busted EK3 transmission..

Guys contact no. 077 3088257...

Like others mentioned, would recommend to go 4 a manaul transmission...

Cheers..

[Arc Angel]

Go maunal mate... It's the best option by far.

[MadMMX]

Jeez - all this is a bit scary. Didn't realise that the rs multimatic was prone to failure. Hasn't someone been able to get down the service manual and also look up the recommended service procedure ..etc ? I mean apart from the fluid change since it is a belt I'm sure there must other parts that wear out as well. Hasn't Stafxxxxd been able to refer this ? Had the service manual cd for my HRV ages ago though it was a 2wd manual and I must say it was pretty comprehensive on the service and repair procedures.

Cheers,

Madmmx

[MadMMX]

Anyway further to my previous post here's the honda service manual sections for the multimatic transmission for the 01 civic upwards.

http://autoban.com.ru:8080/manual/i45Dcontents.htm

Makes for interesting reading. Unfortunately don't have a honda anymore.

Cheers,

MadMMx

[GTAm]

Shocking to see that even Japanese manufacturers that are ranked so highly in reliablity surveys have problems like this. Maybe owners of Alfas with the problematic selespeed boxes will feel a bit better reading this thread .

[crankshaft]

hi all, thanks for all the advice.

i think i better sell off this and buy a manual. any idea about the market value for this. here are some specs of the vehicle:

EK3, year 1998

virs multimatic, VTEC

built in navigation with touch button controls for AC, blower, etc

ABS, dual Air bags, power aerial, full option.

Excellent condition.

color black.

registration number : GG-5XXX.

[Praveen]

Very Sorry to hear of ur Transmission crakshaft... There's Something seriously wrong with the honda CVT's... I busted mine as well ( Honda Fit ARIA - CITY ).. Its got a manufacture fault on it...

I had to replace the Transmission ... The agents really Rip u apart... I got mine repalced by a guy working for Sta**ord... Dude is reasonable and knows whats he's doing... He even showd me a CVT belt removed from a busted EK3 transmission..

Guys contact no. 077 3088257...

Like others mentioned, would recommend to go 4 a manaul transmission...

Cheers..

hey Aazim_G,

i bought a fit aria recently. there is a bit of vibration (for abt 2 secs) when the gear is changed from 'P' to 'D'. is that the problem you had? if so, is it ok if i call the person you have mentioned? what is his name?

thanks

[RACERSEDGE]

hi all, thanks for all the advice.

i think i better sell off this and buy a manual. any idea about the market value for this. here are some specs of the vehicle:

EK3, year 1998

virs multimatic, VTEC

built in navigation with touch button controls for AC, blower, etc

ABS, dual Air bags, power aerial, full option.

Excellent condition.

color black.

registration number : GG-5XXX.

whr can i check the car mate..its good as its black..can put a SIR to it..im thinking of a project ha ha...

Edited May 11, 2008 by RACERSEDGE

[crankshaft]

whr can i check the car mate..its good as its black..can put a SIR to it..im thinking of a project ha ha...

hey thanks..

whats your offer?

(its in excellent condition)

[Pericles]

Hey, no marketing on the Forums.

[ash]

My P11 had a CVT gear box, but never had any problems with it.

The CVTs’ are very good and responsive. But you have to take care of it, especially when it comes to changing oil. My P11 had a Hyper CVT box and the recommended changing intervals for Hyper CVT oil (NS1) is every 60,000km’s. But I did mine as soon as I bought it since I didn’t know the exact mileage the previous owner had done since his last change. Then I again changed in 30,000km’s. If you take care of the CVT you won’t have any problem with your box. Never experienced any problem with changing CVT with the AMWs’.

I took it to a service station (not Pitstop) once and asked them to do the normal service (exterior & interior). One of the supervisors asked me whether I want to change the oils. I just inquired abt the oils they have. He recommended Sh*ll and some other ATF (I mean ATF not any CVTs’) . Imagine if the owner doesn’t know anything abt the difference between CVT & normal AT, what could have happened.

Edited May 12, 2008 by ash

[crankshaft]

My P11 had a CVT gear box, but never had any problems with it.

The CVTs’ are very good and responsive. But you have to take care of it, especially when it comes to changing oil. My P11 had a Hyper CVT box and the recommended changing intervals for Hyper CVT oil (NS1) is every 60,000km’s. But I did mine as soon as I bought it since I didn’t know the exact mileage the previous owner had done since his last change. Then I again changed in 30,000km’s. If you take care of the CVT you won’t have any problem with your box. Never experienced any problem with changing CVT with the AMWs’.

I took it to a service station (not Pitstop) once and asked them to do the normal service (exterior & interior). One of the supervisors asked me whether I want to change the oils. I just inquired abt the oils they have. He recommended Sh*ll and some other ATF (I mean ATF not any CVTs’) . Imagine if the owner doesn’t know anything abt the difference between CVT & normal AT, what could have happened.

sh"t...... I already put ATF to it, because i never knew multimatcs are CVT's!

I called staff*ord and they asked me to bring the vehicle to them to refill with correct fluid. According to them filling with ATF does not have a short term effect.. (its not like pumping diesel to a petrol vehicle).

Edited May 12, 2008 by crankshaft

[lasi]

How to identify a car with CVT by a little inspection. Do all CVT's have gear shift button on the stearing wheel?

[evergreen]

How to identify a car with CVT by a little inspection. Do all CVT's have gear shift button on the stearing wheel?

95-98 cvt civics has the shifter knob on the shifter panel. 99-00 civics has the switch on the steering. and if u open the bonnet and look carefully, you can see the gearbox code M4 VA for all JDM versions and S4VA for singapore versions. this is the ek 3 mmt gearbox code.

hope this helps.

Edited April 12, 2010 by evergreen

[Madhu]

Hi Guys,

Changed my CVT oil few days back after 25 k. (99 EK3 ViRS).

Now there is some vibration on "D" position in law RPM.

Need ur help.

Thanks

[hakjay]

<!--coloro:#000080--><span style="color:#000080"><!--/coloro-->My P11 had a CVT gear box, but never had any problems with it.

The CVTs’ are very good and responsive. But you have to take care of it, especially when it comes to changing oil. My P11 had a Hyper CVT box and the recommended changing intervals for Hyper CVT oil (NS1) is every 60,000km’s. But I did mine as soon as I bought it since I didn’t know the exact mileage the previous owner had done since his last change. Then I again changed in 30,000km’s. If you take care of the CVT you won’t have any problem with your box. Never experienced any problem with changing CVT with the AMWs’.

I took it to a service station (not Pitstop) once and asked them to do the normal service (exterior & interior). One of the supervisors asked me whether I want to change the oils. I just inquired abt the oils they have. He recommended Sh*ll and some other ATF (I mean ATF not any CVTs’) <img src="http://forum.autolanka.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="blink.gif" /> . Imagine if the owner doesn’t know anything abt the difference between CVT & normal AT, what could have happened. <!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->

It happend to me once when they topped up using Dextron III. I had to take the car to Stafford the next dfay to do a complete CVT oil change.