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Fuel Additives...are They Any Good??

Shrapnel

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Shrapnel Newbie

Shrapnel

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Hi,all!

According to your experience, are fuel additives,engine flushes and similar concoctions any good? Somebody suggested "Octane Booster"-does it work?What is this "Magic water" that some keep posting about????

Shrapnel Newbie

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Mmmmmm....are you trying to say something...or,is this your way of sharing some pic you found on the net?I thought mine was a legitimate question?? :mellow:

I am NOT endorsing any of these products;merely want to know your experience with them.

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Bugatti Newbie

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Q: Fuel Additives...are They Any Good??

A: No!

On what grounds do you say this..??

I use Toluene and have been using it ever since GihanFX got me hook on to it. It works wonders... with a noticeable difference in power and acceleration.

But, be cautious on the quantity you pour in.. in my experience, for a standard road car, for a full tank of 50 liters, the max would be 500 ml - 1 liter. nothing more. Else, it can have devastating effects. That's just the story on Toluene. I don't use anything else...

Rebel Newbie

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Hey bro. You're question has been asked and discussed many times before hence the expression

Search would pull up many similar threads

mistaken_ID Newbie

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On what grounds do you say this..??

I use Toluene and have been using it ever since GihanFX got me hook on to it. It works wonders... with a noticeable difference in power and acceleration.

But, be cautious on the quantity you pour in.. in my experience, for a standard road car, for a full tank of 50 liters, the max would be 500 ml - 1 liter. nothing more. Else, it can have devastating effects. That's just the story on Toluene. I don't use anything else...

From where can i buy that?

SeanD Newbie

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Mmmmmm....are you trying to say something...or,is this your way of sharing some pic you found on the net?I thought mine was a legitimate question?? :mellow:

I am NOT endorsing any of these products;merely want to know your experience with them.

FYI, I had put a link below the pic to a recent hotly contested thread on the same topic. Sorry if it was not very visible due to the pic.

anjulau78 Newbie

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Mmmmmm....are you trying to say something...or,is this your way of sharing some pic you found on the net?I thought mine was a legitimate question?? :mellow:

I am NOT endorsing any of these products;merely want to know your experience with them.

Nonthing to post otherthan this "smily" for a useless topic.

Please go through the link provided by SeanD. if U want further deatils.

anyway I will put the link here for your pursual >>>> http://forum.autolanka.com/index.php?s...ic=8186&hl=

MkX Newbie

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But is toluene safe for all kind of engines?

I had the same Q.

This is Wiki says

Toluene can be used as an octane booster in gasoline fuels used in internal combustion engines. Toluene at 86% by volume fueled all the turbo Formula 1 teams in the 1980s, first pioneered by the Honda team. The remaining 14% was a "filler" of n-heptane, to reduce the octane to meet Formula 1 fuel restrictions. Toluene at 100% can be used as a fuel for both two-stroke and four-stroke engines; however, due to the density of the fuel and other factors, the fuel does not vaporize easily unless preheated to 70 degrees Celsius (Honda accomplished this in their Formula 1 cars by routing the fuel lines through the muffler system to heat the fuel). Toluene also poses similar problems as alcohol fuels, as it eats through standard rubber fuel lines and has no lubricating properties as standard gasoline does, which can break down fuel pumps and cause upper cylinder bore wear.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toluene

Shrapnel Newbie

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Nonthing to post otherthan this "smily" for a useless topic.

Please go through the link provided by SeanD. if U want further deatils.

anyway I will put the link here for your pursual >>>> http://forum.autolanka.com/index.php?s...ic=8186&hl=

Many thanx for you guys for your inputs and the link(although I believe that discussion(?) centered on a fuel saver gadget and not on additives per se)

It seems to me that guys in Subaru forums are quite averse to any discussion on fuel saving/optimizing etc; somebody said "if you drive a Subaru, fuel efficiency is a taboo subject" :P So be it.

anjulau78, I thought people visited this site to learn and share-not only to pat themselves in the back and be all hoity-toity...and as I see that you too, are a newbie, I have apprehensions what real "experts" might say to laymen questions... :mellow:

Ripper Newbie

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Many thanx for you guys for your inputs and the link(although I believe that discussion(?) centered on a fuel saver gadget and not on additives per se)

It seems to me that guys in Subaru forums are quite averse to any discussion on fuel saving/optimizing etc; somebody said "if you drive a Subaru, fuel efficiency is a taboo subject" :P So be it.

anjulau78, I thought people visited this site to learn and share-not only to pat themselves in the back and be all hoity-toity...and as I see that you too, are a newbie, I have apprehensions what real "experts" might say to laymen questions... :mellow:

my take on this...

some fuel additives are nothing but pure marketing BS..

They promise you the sun and moon and only end up biting at your wallet and nothing more...

Some additives can even be harmful in the long run since these were never truly designed to improve anything but the bank accounts of the manufacturers

Magic water...aka Toluene works as an octane booster and does really have a true effect on how your machine runs. Especially if it's a motor that has been designed to run on high octane gas for better performance. But to unlock the full potential of this you have to have your car tuned in such a way it can harness the power of the additional octane numbers...

Say you get a stock corolla or something an pour toluene into it...i highly doubt it will perform true though you might notice slight improvement in performance...placebo or otherwise.

So IMHO.... certain things you add to your fuel will have a positive effect providing the conditions are right.

Some other fuel additives wont help at all since they were always made to just rip you off and never designed for true performance.

The tough decision is to choose the correct one

Say you dump toluene into

GihanFX Newbie

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Review about octane booster's http://sportscarforums.com/f13/toluene-my-...hoice-3257.html

Toulene

R+M/2...114

Cost... 1000Rs (1 gallon)

Mixtures with 92 Octane (because we are not sure our 95 oct is actual 95 oct, we calculate it as 92)

10%...94.2 Octane

20%...96.4 Octane

30%...98.6 Octane

I have ran 30% on my old Subaru that had an ECU requires 100 oct fuel, also we ran the above mixture's in several Subaru's, Honda's and few sport bikes without any issues, but most of the SL tuners i spoken have deny Toluene increase the oct, there is no way 5 or 10% increase of oct will damage the engine even for a stock setup but "Use At Your Own Risk"

Toluene is highly toxic and Breathing contaminated workplace air or automobile exhaust can cause Low to moderate levels can cause tiredness, confusion, weakness, drunken-type actions, memory loss, nausea, loss of appetite, and hearing and color vision loss

anjulau78 Newbie

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anjulau78, I thought people visited this site to learn and share-not only to pat themselves in the back and be all hoity-toity...and as I see that you too, are a newbie, I have apprehensions what real "experts" might say to laymen questions... :mellow:

Shrapnel, U think A newbie to autolanka mean newbie to whole automobile world...? Ha ha haaaaaa.... :angry-smiley-048:

VVTi Newbie

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Shrapnel, U think A newbie to autolanka mean newbie to whole automobile world...? Ha ha haaaaaa.... :angry-smiley-048:

Ok Ladies... put your swords back in and zip up your pants.

My take on your original question.

Engine Flushes.... Do you really need to do it? Why would you want to do it? if your car is a high millage car, stay away from commercailly available engine flushing liquids. They will kill your engine.

Fuel additives? Do you need to boost your octane? If so, Why? Does your engine require it? I put a 3m fuel injector cleaner in to my tank once in weile. Thats about it. Unless you are a weekend racer, no need to boost your octane unless you have a ECU that requires it. Day to day running can be managed by what is available in SL unless your car demands it. Eg: High Specs Subaru, race tuned Honda. ect etc.

Fuel additives are if your car requires a specific Octane number. GihanFX cleared it up with his informative post. Higher Octane is needed to keep the p[redetonation at bay. Higher octane doesn't necessarily mean the car will fly or get you better mileage. Correct me if I am wrong.

Mine runs with a octane value between 90 and 98 as per the factory specs and the fuel tank cap info. Somedays I pump 90, some days I pump 95... or a bit of both. Nothing has broekn so far.

milindu Newbie

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Hi,all!

According to your experience, are fuel additives,engine flushes and similar concoctions any good? Somebody suggested "Octane Booster"-does it work?What is this "Magic water" that some keep posting about????

Our company has tested at least 10-15 or more different devices or additives over the years (most obtained on complementary basis).

Engine Flush - These are good to loosen up sludge prior to a manual cleanup. Flush alone is not effective and the manula cleanup is a must if there is considerable sludge buildup.

Additives - The fuel system cleaning additives (at least the reputed ones) when used with the Fuel System Cleaners (We use 3M and Wurth) can work wonders on cars that have run around 40k or more without any system cleanup. There is also a Toyota branded additive that we use but I have not checked up on the results as yet. But you have to do the whole tuneup for best effect.

Not much faith in other miracle products.

GihanFX Newbie

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Higher Octane is needed to keep the p[redetonation at bay. Higher octane doesn't necessarily mean the car will fly or get you better mileage. Correct me if I am wrong.

Exactly, the reason we ran Toluene or octane boost cus our cars had aftermarket ECU's (chipped ones) from Japan, so the cars were tune to run 100 Ron, to prevent any detonation or knock we ran Toluene to match the required Oct ratings, but for ECU's our Tuners can tune (piggy backs and standalone ) no need to run any oct boost cus our tunes tune them to run 95 oct, as i know they tune cars for 93 oct, oct boost is good for the cars that needs high oct, but for normal cars they can run 90 oct easily,

Shrapnel Newbie

Shrapnel

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Shrapnel, U think A newbie to autolanka mean newbie to whole automobile world...? Ha ha haaaaaa.... :angry-smiley-048:

I guess enough members have posted about your so-called "useless" topic to vindicate me saying that it is a legit question...so, I guess it's :angry-smiley-048: to YOU,bro

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