Can We Trust The Auction Grades Advertised!

[gada]

Hi all!

Recently there was an adv vehicle (not in AL) with a very good price which was indicated to be of Auction grade 5.

However I managed to find the actual Japanese auction sheet of the same vehicle which indicated the auction grade as 3.5!

This posed me the question as to how much of us are being fooled by importers with false auction grades.

This is possible due to few reasons such as typical Sri Lankan buyers not being very much aware of the auction grades and their interpretations.

I don’t think most importers provide the auction sheets, and even if they do so can we trust them…

Guys, any ideas on getting the actual state of an imported vehicle?

Thanks!!!

BTW, although I have been a regular visitor and reader of AL for years, this is my first post.

[Gayan Weerakoon]

Never trust car sale guys its all bullshit

last week i was at a place where car interiors are done in colombo and there was a brandnew Toyota Premio. The car sale guy was talking on the phone to another car sale guy and he mentioned in Sinhalese 'car eka hodatama hodey milage ekake adu karanda onne na' i was shocked to hear this. Most jdm cars in colombo the milage is changed as in japan there is no way these cars will run such low milages considering the distances they travel.

Apparently there is a famous guy that does it close to pamankada kohuwala side with more than 10 unreg cars a day been done. The guy is doing so well he owns a subaru sti 9 now.

[Chal]

Hi all!

Recently there was an adv vehicle (not in AL) with a very good price which was indicated to be of Auction grade 5.

However I managed to find the actual Japanese auction sheet of the same vehicle which indicated the auction grade as 3.5!

This posed me the question as to how much of us are being fooled by importers with false auction grades.

This is possible due to few reasons such as typical Sri Lankan buyers not being very much aware of the auction grades and their interpretations.

I don’t think most importers provide the auction sheets, and even if they do so can we trust them…

Guys, any ideas on getting the actual state of an imported vehicle?

Thanks!!!

BTW, although I have been a regular visitor and reader of AL for years, this is my first post.

http://auc.singaporemotors.net/aj

This is useful site but you may access to the information of vehicles which are currently available in the auctions.

May be useful if you are bidding for a vehicle through an agent.

[jami]

never trust, most BAD people on eart. Now the YAMA Rajjurowo is building a new APAYA to these sales mans

[Sifaan]

I don’t think most importers provide the auction sheets, and even if they do so can we trust them…

Guys, any ideas on getting the actual state of an imported vehicle?

The guys with something to hide will definitely not disclose the auction certificates (will probably put some cock and bull story about having to pay extra to get it, or that it is not available for this particular car/auction, etc.) but I thought if they did show the certificate then you could trust it??

last week i was at a place where car interiors are done in colombo and there was a brandnew Toyota Premio. The car sale guy was talking on the phone to another car sale guy and he mentioned in Sinhalese 'car eka hodatama hodey milage ekake adu karanda onne na' i was shocked to hear this. Most jdm cars in colombo the milage is changed as in japan there is no way these cars will run such low milages considering the distances they travel.

Apparently there is a famous guy that does it close to pamankada kohuwala side with more than 10 unreg cars a day been done. The guy is doing so well he owns a subaru sti 9 now.

apart from the pamankada business I've heard that it's done before the car even leaves the port in Colombo (dunno if it's true). in any case no point trusting the meter in a car... even if it was displaying genuine mileage of 30k, the wear and tear depends on what kind of surface it was driven on (suspension), how it was driven (engine/transmission), how it was maintained(just about everything), etc, etc.

[nissan_fan]

http://auc.singaporemotors.net/aj

This is useful site but you may access to the information of vehicles which are currently available in the auctions.

May be useful if you are bidding for a vehicle through an agent.

You can log in to this site using

user name - guest

password - guest

if you go to statistics sale you can see past auction sheets.

If you know the chassis no of certain vehicle you can find the auction sheet, though unfortunately it won't be an easy task.

Find someone to read Japanese in the auction sheets.

Regarding the odometer issue, even though it's a crime in Japan to roll-back odometer, there are Japanese exporters who do the same.

Ithin lankawa gena kawara kathada?

[hakjay]

It is always better to assume a meter reading of at least 50000 KM or more . When I bought my EK3 ( sing import) the meter reading was 49,000. The meter reading was confirmed when I got the maintenence manual of the car from day 1 up to point of dispacth from Sing.

[gada]

Thanks a lot guys!!!

Dunno whether it is true but heard that they also upgrade the vehicles option grade (package) also. Say an Axio X to an Axio G package. This I guess is more often done by the exporters because they have the ready supply of spares.

If you are importing a latest model used JDM vehicle, it’s really good if you have a good idea of the detailed spec or the total list of options available for the different packages. I once checked http://toyota.jp but is there a better site (English one) to get this info? If you use the above site you will need a browser like google chrome which does an automatic translation on the Japanese site, but still it’s not an easy task.

[Sylvi]

The guys with something to hide will definitely not disclose the auction certificates (will probably put some cock and bull story about having to pay extra to get it, or that it is not available for this particular car/auction, etc.) but I thought if they did show the certificate then you could trust it??

apart from the pamankada business I've heard that it's done before the car even leaves the port in Colombo (dunno if it's true). in any case no point trusting the meter in a car... even if it was displaying genuine mileage of 30k, the wear and tear depends on what kind of surface it was driven on (suspension), how it was driven (engine/transmission), how it was maintained(just about everything), etc, etc.

Sifaan,

There are number of Electronic Qualified with the assistance of a Computer who do Odometer Adjustments in Major towns in Srilanka. This was going on for number of years in Srilanka with the help of a Computer.

One wise man was able to do this for his hard experimentation in number of Vehicles odometers with lot of his time was involved and got the correct way of the method of reducing or increasing the odometers.

In the past they have made lot of Capital they are now importers of Motor Vehicles.

Now this adjustments are done in Exporting countries also they followed Srilanka method of re adjusting Odometer.

Some Srilankans will do any thing to become Millionaires. I am not blaming them Some Vehicle Importers did import Accident Vehicles and repaired them some others Imported Vehicles cut and re weld them in Srilanka. Some others Printed Thousand Rupee notes in other countries and cashed them here.

Wijesinghe.

[TharakaWi]

You can log in to this site using

user name - guest

password - guest

if you go to statistics sale you can see past auction sheets.

If you know the chassis no of certain vehicle you can find the auction sheet, though unfortunately it won't be an easy task.

Find someone to read Japanese in the auction sheets.

Regarding the odometer issue, even though it's a crime in Japan to roll-back odometer, there are Japanese exporters who do the same.

Ithin lankawa gena kawara kathada?

Cannot see the statisctics sale menu item. Could u be more specific?

[nadun kulasekara]

to be sure better go for JAAI international certificate.

They keep their records for one year once they examine the car.

It is trusted internationally.

[gada]

Cannot see the statisctics sale menu item. Could u be more specific?

Searching for past auction results:

Search for the vehicle by selecting Manufacturer, Model etc.

Then from the list pick and view a model similar to the one you are searching.

Then on this page select 'Statistics by the model'.

On the next page you get the past auctions data.

Then you can perform a search again.

Might be easier if you know the auction date.

Cheers!

[Sifaan]

Sifaan,

There are number of Electronic Qualified with the assistance of a Computer who do Odometer Adjustments in Major towns in Srilanka. This was going on for number of years in Srilanka with the help of a Computer.

One wise man was able to do this for his hard experimentation in number of Vehicles odometers with lot of his time was involved and got the correct way of the method of reducing or increasing the odometers.

In the past they have made lot of Capital they are now importers of Motor Vehicles.

Now this adjustments are done in Exporting countries also they followed Srilanka method of re adjusting Odometer.

Some Srilankans will do any thing to become Millionaires. I am not blaming them Some Vehicle Importers did import Accident Vehicles and repaired them some others Imported Vehicles cut and re weld them in Srilanka. Some others Printed Thousand Rupee notes in other countries and cashed them here.

Wijesinghe.

Thanks Wijesinghe...

so, one way or another, the only way you can really trust the odometer reading is if it's a brand new car

[nissan_fan]

Searching for past auction results:

Search for the vehicle by selecting Manufacturer, Model etc.

Then from the list pick and view a model similar to the one you are searching.

Then on this page select 'Statistics by the model'.

On the next page you get the past auctions data.

Then you can perform a search again.

Might be easier if you know the auction date.

Cheers!

Thats one way. But only you get limited amount of data,

by accessing following link you can access the stats up to 1 year back

http://auc.singaporemotors.net/aj_3

( guest / guest work here too )

[gada]

Thats one way. But only you get limited amount of data,

by accessing following link you can access the stats up to 1 year back

http://auc.singaporemotors.net/aj_3

( guest / guest work here too )

Thanks bro!

[xXx]

JAII certificate is the easiest way to confirm the mileage.

About the auction papers/certificate, it is not part of the official set of documents send by the exporter to clear the car from the local customs. Plus some importers has been dealing with the same exporter for many years and trust their word. So there's no need (for the importer) to specifically ask for the auction sheet to inspect. Plus if the vehicle is not purchased through an auction then obviously there no auction paper for that car. Guess what I’m trying to say is if a car sale guy says he don't have the auction papers that necessarily doesn’t mean that he's trying to pull a fast one on you.

Safest option is to take the car to agents or a mechanic to inspect the car.

[xXx]

Never trust car sale guys its all bullshit

last week i was at a place where car interiors are done in colombo and there was a brandnew Toyota Premio. The car sale guy was talking on the phone to another car sale guy and he mentioned in Sinhalese 'car eka hodatama hodey milage ekake adu karanda onne na' i was shocked to hear this. Most jdm cars in colombo the milage is changed as in japan there is no way these cars will run such low milages considering the distances they travel.

Apparently there is a famous guy that does it close to pamankada kohuwala side with more than 10 unreg cars a day been done. The guy is doing so well he owns a subaru sti 9 now.

You do know they have a really good public tranportation system over there right?????

apart from the pamankada business I've heard that it's done before the car even leaves the port in Colombo (dunno if it's true). in any case no point trusting the meter in a car...

Why would anyone want to change the meter before the car even leaves the port. Its nto as if they have buyers lining up egerly waiting till teh car is released form customs

Interesting choice of words in both posts

even if it was displaying genuine mileage of 30k, the wear and tear depends on what kind of surface it was driven on (suspension), how it was driven (engine/transmission), how it was maintained(just about everything), etc, etc.

So machang what do you suggest??? only buy brandnew at twice the cost?

It is always better to assume a meter reading of at least 50000 KM or more . When I bought my EK3 ( sing import) the meter reading was 49,000. The meter reading was confirmed when I got the maintenence manual of the car from day 1 up to point of dispacth from Sing.

Interesting logic you got there. Just because your car had 50k on the clock all the imported cars must have done 50k.

[Sifaan]

So machang what do you suggest??? only buy brandnew at twice the cost?

of course not; just that the meter reading doesn't mean much even if it was genuine (in extreme case a car with 50k might even be in better condition than the same model with 25k if the former was maintained regularly and driven carefully and the latter was maintained poorly and driven on redline rpms by a maniac), and since it's possible that it is not genuine you should trust it even less.

and as for the "heard" post, my source was someone in the buying/selling business (I don't even know him personally) so I can't write as if it definitely does happen.

[Pericles]

So basically what you have said is, don't bother with the mileage, just pay careful attention to the condition of the car?

Seem like fairly standard common sense.