Duplicate Car Registration Book

[ABR]

Yes you have to find the original registration. I once paid a deposit to a car and the owner at the time of the sale mentioned that the original CR was lost. To me i didn't mind at all as the car was mint and it was the genuine owner of the car. ( Was a DR). After that i went ahead and paid a deposit and told them that i will pay in full once the New CR (Duplicate) was issued. When the Dr went to RMV to apply for a NEW CR they checked their records and has told that they haven't sent the Original CR in the first place, and immediately printed a new one. I was told by the owner of the car that many people came to see the vehicle but people were reluctant to buy cos the CR would be a duplicate. She also gave it to me about 150,000 less than the what the car was worth at the time. To be honest I had no issues with the book being duplicate. In the end i was really lucky to end up getting the Original CR as well as the car at a great price.

I didnt understand that clearly machan, how exactly did you get the original CR? what steps do i have to follow if i buy a car with duplicate CR, how do i get the original ?

Edited June 16, 2013 by ABR

[trinity]

look here..

1. You are buying the car for a much lesser amount what its worth as you mentioned..so you bought it cheap in the first place.. Why worry about reselling before even buying the car..

2. What you shoul really be worried is not reselling but the authenticity of the duplicate book and the story about the original book.. So check with RMV as others mentioned..

3. One of my friends bought a mint diesel corolla with a duplicate book and got it transfered to his name, he didn't have any issue selling it later..having your name on the duplicate book ease the reselling pain to some extend.. So get it transferred if you buy the car..

4. When reselling use these terms.. Toyota Starlet,show room condition, used as a second car, allow wheels, leather sheets,genuine buyers only..:-)

[NZer]

I didnt understand that clearly machan, how exactly did you get the original CR? what steps do i have to follow if i buy a car with duplicate CR, how do i get the original ?

What i am saying is Machan there is NO way to get an original CR unless you find the CR that was lost. If the car is good and the RMV has all the valid documents and the reason the CR was lost is genuine then go for it i say.

[priyanka]

if it is a duplicate try to buy it from a genuine seller as some of the vehicles with duplicate CRs are with lot of legal issues. one of my friend told me that some people do this purpusly and he had the very bad experience.

what happened was one fellow has taken a duplicate CR by a false complain and actually he was having the original one with him as well.

next he sold his car to my friend using the duplicate CR and my friend got it transferred in to his name and so on......

but the seller bought a "bud" vehicle and continued to run using the same number. he could get the rev.licence and things as he was having the original book with him.

but later someone has informed the police that there are 2 vehicles running with the same reg' number

so think twice ................ and check everything before buying.

[priyanka]

What i am saying is Machan there is NO way to get an original CR unless you find the CR that was lost. If the car is good and the RMV has all the valid documents and the reason the CR was lost is genuine then go for it i say.

if you have done a transfer with the duplicate CR, even if you found the original CR later, you won't be issued a new CR mentioning 'ORIGINAL' and will continue as duplicate for ever.

Edited June 16, 2013 by priyanka

[NZer]

if you have done a transfer with the duplicate CR, even if you found the original CR later, you won't be issued a new CR mentioning 'ORIGINAL' and will continue as duplicate for ever.

Nope your wrong. If you find the lost CR and take it to RMV they will cancel both CR's and issue a new one with the ORIGINAL printed.

[The Don]

if you have done a transfer with the duplicate CR, even if you found the original CR later, you won't be issued a new CR mentioning 'ORIGINAL' and will continue as duplicate for ever.

I think the fact you have the original with you should be able to convince any buyer of the book marked duplicate's authenticity.

Personally you should always buy vehicles from sellers who can be verified, always check whether the vehicle on the book is the car that is being sold and always check for forgeries, signs of tampering or anything out of the ordinary. You can also check with the RMV if the record they have matches the record on the book. If all these checks pass, there is no reason why a vehicle with a duplicate book should be worth less.

Sri Lanka should simply switch to completely electronic car registration records, with the book only being a mechanism to apply for transfer and a simple cross check. We pay way too much attention to a piece of paper that can be forged so easily.

[Watchman]

if it is a duplicate try to buy it from a genuine seller as some of the vehicles with duplicate CRs are with lot of legal issues. one of my friend told me that some people do this purpusly and he had the very bad experience.

what happened was one fellow has taken a duplicate CR by a false complain and actually he was having the original one with him as well.

next he sold his car to my friend using the duplicate CR and my friend got it transferred in to his name and so on......

but the seller bought a "bud" vehicle and continued to run using the same number. he could get the rev.licence and things as he was having the original book with him.

but later someone has informed the police that there are 2 vehicles running with the same reg' number

so think twice ................ and check everything before buying.

In this case the previous owner can sell off is cut/bud vehicle to someone with the "original" CR. So going by your logic, even if you buy a vehicle with the original CR it could be a cut/bud (illegal) vehicle. So there's no solution is there?

Like Don says we need a proper electronic system that stores the information. And if you link the system to the process of issuing Revenue Licenses, you can track and make sure all vehicles are in the system within a year.

[The Don]

In this case the previous owner can sell off is cut/bud vehicle to someone with the "original" CR. So going by your logic, even if you buy a vehicle with the original CR it could be a cut/bud (illegal) vehicle. So there's no solution is there?

Like Don says we need a proper electronic system that stores the information. And if you link the system to the process of issuing Revenue Licenses, you can track and make sure all vehicles are in the system within a year.

Watchman, we already have a fully electronic system. The RMV shifted to that many moons ago to tackle the problem of book forgery. The problem is it is not being used as an electronic system, and there is no real link to other systems.

For example, the revenue license system should be linked to the vehicle registration system, and penalties issues direct to the owner of the vehicle.

The owner should be asked to update his address, so the RMV or any potential buyer, or financial institution will know where the vehicle is meant to be, and this should be required by law and can be linked to the revenue license system and done via that way.

The owner information can then be linked to the identity of the owner via identity card number which would then link to driving license, passport etc.

We have separate electronic records for all of this but not sure how integrated they are. As big brother as it sounds this is the only way to drive out forgery so we have an unambiguous record of ownership which is easily verifiable. The RMV can even make a bit of money by offering a service to confirm details of ownership (though they should NEVER EVER give out these details on demand). This would then help banks, finance companies as well.

This could then put to an end to this bull shit about finance companies keeping hold of books to cars etc. You can have two legal concepts of ownership, owner and registered keeper (I'm borrowing from the UK system). The finance company can be the owner while the loan is outstanding and the user, the registered keeper. The registered keeper obviously wont be able to sell the car but otherwise legally liable for everything else like paying the revenue license.

Edited June 16, 2013 by The Don

[DilangaLanka]

Hey Machan... Best thing you can do is to get a lease of finance for the vehicle... they will find all the details of the book and car... may be the rate is bit higher for the lease... you can win the trust of the byer by this.... anw,... what's your car how much you need for it?