Manumatic And Triptronic

Magnum · June 22, 2011

Whats the difference between these two? i have no idea what wikipedia says! could someone please explain(better with pictures)

Uditha88 · June 23, 2011

On 6/22/2011 at 5:37 PM, Magnum said:

Whats the difference between these two? i have no idea what wikipedia says! could someone please explain(better with pictures)

There are 4 transmission types

1. Manual

2. Automatic

3. Seme- Automatic

4. Tiptronic

* Tiptronic is the generic name found by German sports car maker Porsche.

* 'Tiptronic' to refer generically to any type of torque converter automatic transmission that incorporates a manual upshift/downshift feature

* Manumatic is 1 of implementation of Tiptronic.

miniace · June 23, 2011

Manumatic is the correct jargon for automatic box with facility of manual manipulation facility

Or popularly know as 'Triptronic'

In other words The commercial name 'triptronic" is technically Manumatic.

MINIACE

Rocky · June 23, 2011

then what do you call the thing that you get in the new Hiace and in Corolla Luxel?

Sifaan · June 23, 2011

On 6/23/2011 at 8:53 AM, Rocky said:

then what do you call the thing that you get in the new Hiace and in Corolla Luxel?

I guess you mean CVT - in a certain way, they can be considered auto / manumatic (depending whether driver has control or not) but probably better to consider as a different family altogether as they are not defined by fixed ratios like the conventional boxes

Magnum · June 23, 2011

On 6/23/2011 at 9:27 AM, Sifaan said:

I guess you mean CVT - in a certain way, they can be considered auto / manumatic (depending whether driver has control or not) but probably better to consider as a different family altogether as they are not defined by fixed ratios like the conventional boxes

i know what he is asking, i have the same doubt

he is asking about this

Crosswind · June 23, 2011

On 6/23/2011 at 4:06 PM, Magnum said:

i know what he is asking, i have the same doubt

he is asking about this

It's an auto gear box. Could be a CVT or an ordinary auto gearbox. If you are wondering what D-3 means, in some cars the auto gear box doesn't come with an OD button. Comes with 3 instead. My car also has a similar gear shift lever but it's got an ordinary auto box not a CVT.

However, this is not a manumatic or tiptronic box. They have + and -.

Edited August 12, 2011 by Crosswind

Schiffer · June 23, 2011

On 6/23/2011 at 4:06 PM, Magnum said:

i know what he is asking, i have the same doubt

he is asking about this

if you see clearly, you'll notice that the D-3 and 2 doesn't have a fancy path, its straight forward.

its just like using an O/D button you can just push it up while driving, and you might also notice that there is no O/D button as well.

Dinuk · June 23, 2011

On 6/23/2011 at 4:06 PM, Magnum said:

i know what he is asking, i have the same doubt

he is asking about this

This is not tiptronic/ manumatic . And not CVT. just 3 speed automatic. And you can shift between 2 and 3 without any fuss while driving. If you are going a down hill and you need good engine braking you can shift it to 2. Again cruising, put it to D-3. thats all. To simplify this change they have a straight path, and no need to push the unlock button.

Tiptronic/manumatic gear boxes uses an electronic control unit to decide and make up shifts and down shifts. And the driver can disconnect or to override the control unit to make gear changes to suit him. Just like the manual gear box.

Edited June 23, 2011 by Dinuk

Magnum · June 23, 2011

On 6/23/2011 at 4:16 PM, Crosswind said:

It's an auto gear box. Could be a CVT or an ordinary auto gearbox. If you are wondering what D-3 means, in some cars the auto gear box doesn't come with an OD button. Comes with 3 instead. My Impian also has a similar gear shift lever but it's got an ordinary auto box not a CVT.

However, this is not a manumatic or tiptronic box. They have + and -.

On 6/23/2011 at 4:27 PM, Schiffer said:

if you see clearly, you'll notice that the D-3 and 2 doesn't have a fancy path, its straight forward.

its just like using an O/D button you can just push it up while driving, and you might also notice that there is no O/D button as well.

so its just an automatic gearbox with a fancy gear shifter(or watevr u call it) eh?

On 6/23/2011 at 5:48 PM, Dinuk said:

This is not tiptronic/ manumatic . And not CVT. just 3 speed automatic. And you can shift between 2 and 3 without any fuss while driving. If you are going a down hill and you need good engine braking you can shift it to 2. Again cruising, put it to D-3. thats all. To simplify this change they have straight path, and no need to push the unlock button.

Tiptronic/manumatic gear boxes uses an electronic control unit to decide and make up shifts and down shifts. And the driver can disconnect or to override the control unit to make gear changes to suit him. Just like the manual gear box.

i dont think its 3 speed! it think its a four speed gear with the feature of shifting to 3 and 2

Sifaan · June 23, 2011

On 6/23/2011 at 5:48 PM, Dinuk said:
This is not tiptronic/ manumatic . And not CVT. just 3 speed automatic. And you can shift between 2 and 3 without any fuss while driving. If you are going down hill and you need good engine braking you have to shift it to 2. Again cruising put it to 3. thats all. To simplify this change they have straight path, and no need to push the unlock button.

It's at least a 4 speed automatic, but you can limit to 1st (L), 2nd, or 3rd. this means that even if the car "thinks" it should be a higher gear, it will not go beyond the limit you set.

so changing between 2 and 3 on the lever doesn't necessarily mean gear is changing between 2 and 3. if you select "3" and the "ideal" ratio is 2, it will stay at 2.

On 6/23/2011 at 5:48 PM, Dinuk said:
Tiptronic/manumatic gear boxes uses an electronic control unit to decide and make up shifts and down shifts. And the driver can disconnect or to override the control unit to make gear changes to suit him. Just like the manual gear box.

even regular autoboxes use an ECU to determine gear changes. manumatic lets you override, but not "just like" a manual - a manual will allow you to shift up and stall, or shift down and redline - a manumatic will not allow that to happen. e.g. if driving very slowly and try to shift to 3rd, it won't happen. or going very fast and trying to shift to 1st, still won't happen. if you speed/slow and ECU thinks engine will redline/stall, it will still shift automatically.

Sifaan · June 23, 2011

On 6/23/2011 at 5:48 PM, Dinuk said:
This is not tiptronic/ manumatic . And not CVT. just 3 speed automatic. And you can shift between 2 and 3 without any fuss while driving. If you are going down hill and you need good engine braking you have to shift it to 2. Again cruising put it to 3. thats all. To simplify this change they have straight path, and no need to push the unlock button.

It's at least a 4 speed automatic, but you can limit to 1st (L), 2nd, or 3rd. this means that even if the car "thinks" it should be a higher gear, it will not go beyond the limit you set.

so changing between 2 and 3 on the lever doesn't necessarily mean gear is changing between 2 and 3. if you select "3" and the "ideal" ratio is 2, it will stay at 2.

On 6/23/2011 at 5:48 PM, Dinuk said:
Tiptronic/manumatic gear boxes uses an electronic control unit to decide and make up shifts and down shifts. And the driver can disconnect or to override the control unit to make gear changes to suit him. Just like the manual gear box.

even regular autoboxes use an ECU to determine gear changes. manumatic lets you override, but not "just like" a manual - a manual will allow you to shift up and stall, or shift down and redline - a manumatic will not allow that to happen. e.g. if driving very slowly and try to shift to 3rd, it won't happen. or going very fast and trying to shift to 1st, still won't happen. if you speed/slow and ECU thinks engine will redline/stall, it will still shift automatically.

Schiffer · June 23, 2011

On 6/23/2011 at 6:01 PM, Magnum said:

so its just an automatic gearbox with a fancy gear shifter(or watevr u call it) eh?

i dont think its 3 speed! it think its a four speed gear with the feature of shifting to 3 and 2

yup, you dont get the big button to push it down and up, therefore saftywise the gears are going in a fancy path

so that the driver or pessenger doesent accidently push it.

you dont see a normal D or an + - button mate, therefore i assume its a 3 speed gearbox

plus toyota's tend to come with low gears..

Dinuk · June 23, 2011

On 6/23/2011 at 6:04 PM, Sifaan said:

It's at least a 4 speed automatic, but you can limit to 1st (L), 2nd, or 3rd. this means that even if the car "thinks" it should be a higher gear, it will not go beyond the limit you set.

so changing between 2 and 3 on the lever doesn't necessarily mean gear is changing between 2 and 3. if you select "3" and the "ideal" ratio is 2, it will stay at 2.

When you ara at "2" it doesn't shift in to 3rd gear. it only uses 1st and 2nd gears only. when you are in D-3 it changes gears from 1st to 3rd according to the speed and load. With less load and high speed the gear box chooses the top gear (in this case 3rd). When you are going down hill the load is less and you have to use brakes to slow it down. We all know using brakes long time means disaster. so we need engine braking. the option is changing the gear to a lower ratio. And that is "2".

On 6/23/2011 at 6:04 PM, Sifaan said:

even regular autoboxes use an ECU to determine gear changes. manumatic lets you override, but not "just like" a manual - a manual will allow you to shift up and stall, or shift down and redline - a manumatic will not allow that to happen. e.g. if driving very slowly and try to shift to 3rd, it won't happen. or going very fast and trying to shift to 1st, still won't happen. if you speed/slow and ECU thinks engine will redline/stall, it will still shift automatically.

Some auto boxes even today uses the old type hydraulic mechanism to determine the gear changes. And they all now going towards to electronically controlled units because of the programmability of the unit. And you are correct, most systems doesn't let you to control 100%. Specially at down shift.

But think... I know you can drive very slowly and try to shift it to 3rd. But, have you tried "going very fast and trying to shift to 1st" on a manual box.

Edited June 23, 2011 by Dinuk

Sifaan · June 24, 2011

On 6/23/2011 at 6:36 PM, Dinuk said:

When you ara at "2" it doesn't shift in to 3rd gear. it only uses 1st and 2nd gears only. when you are in D-3 it changes gears from 1st to 3rd according to the speed and load.

yes, that is what "limit" means.

Crosswind · June 24, 2011

On 6/23/2011 at 5:48 PM, Dinuk said:

Again cruising, put it to D-3. thats all.

On 6/23/2011 at 6:36 PM, Dinuk said:

when you are in D-3 it changes gears from 1st to 3rd according to the speed and load.

I believe there is a slight confusion because of the way the gear shifters are located. There's no position called D-3 in this gearbox. They are two positions - D and 3. When you are in D - your normal Drive mode, just shift the lever to the left a bit and u are in position 3 (which is the Overdrive off position).

So it is a four speed autobox but 3 acts as the usual 3rd gear, which limits the speed of the vehicle (in other words, O/D off). Pictured below is the Proton Impian gear shifters (with the unlock button) which makes things a bit clear.

On 6/23/2011 at 6:01 PM, Magnum said:

i dont think its 3 speed! it think its a four speed gear with the feature of shifting to 3 and 2

Yes you are right. It is a 4-speed gearbox

(b_d)wije · June 24, 2011

the one with fancy wooden shifter is also a four speed gearbox..there is no position called D-3. there a two positions called D and 3 there. you can shift the lever vertically between D and 3. D for drive which is fourth gear. 3 is third gear. then you can shift down to 2.

Magnum · June 24, 2011

On 6/23/2011 at 6:16 PM, Schiffer said:

i assume its a 3 speed gearbox

plus toyota's tend to come with low gears..

i don't think its a 3 speed cause i got this pic from a Toyota Corolla Luxel 121 (1800cc) a 1800cc! usually 3 speed gear boxes found in mini vans with a 650cc engine

On 6/24/2011 at 3:49 AM, Crosswind said:

I believe there is a slight confusion because of the way the gear shifters are located. There's no position called D-3 in this gearbox. They are two positions - D and 3. When you are in D - your normal Drive mode, just shift the lever to the left a bit and u are in position 3 (which is the Overdrive off position).

So it is a four speed autobox but 3 acts as the usual 3rd gear, which limits the speed of the vehicle (in other words, O/D off). Pictured below is the Proton Impian gear shifters (with the unlock button) which makes things a bit clear.

Yes you are right. It is a 4-speed gearbox

On 6/24/2011 at 4:27 AM, (b_d)wije said:

the one with fancy wooden shifter is also a four speed gearbox..there is no position called D-3. there a two positions called D and 3 there. you can shift the lever vertically between D and 3. D for drive which is fourth gear. 3 is third gear. then you can shift down to 2.

thats right its D and 3

Magnum · June 24, 2011

bdw whats the transmission you get in Honda Fit Aria

My link

Dinuk · June 24, 2011

On 6/24/2011 at 8:09 AM, Magnum said:

bdw whats the transmission you get in Honda Fit Aria

My link

CVT. And some models have 7 speed tiptronic function.

Edited June 24, 2011 by Dinuk

Magnum · June 24, 2011

On 6/24/2011 at 5:19 PM, Dinuk said:

CVT. And some models have 7 speed tiptronic function.

axela also got Triptronic right?

Dinuk · June 24, 2011

On 6/23/2011 at 6:01 PM, Magnum said:

i dont think its 3 speed! it think its a four speed gear with the feature of shifting to 3 and 2

Sorry guys... Yes this is a four speed automatic...

Dinuk · June 24, 2011

On 6/24/2011 at 5:32 PM, Magnum said:

axela also got Triptronic right?

Mazda 3/Axela has tiptronic. And it's a marvelous gearbox.

Schiffer · June 24, 2011

On 6/24/2011 at 8:04 AM, Magnum said:

i don't think its a 3 speed cause i got this pic from a Toyota Corolla Luxel 121 (1800cc) a 1800cc! usually 3 speed gear boxes found in mini vans with a 650cc engine

aahh yes your right, my bad

and yes. i didnt notice the space to shift from left to right which means

to shift from D to 3 (D-3) where D acts as the 4th Gear

and no, some old Toyota's came with a 3 or 2 speed Auto gearbox without and OD button..

my previous corolla EE103 didn't have a OD button on it. it was a 3 speed automatic

Magnum · June 24, 2011

On 6/24/2011 at 5:50 PM, Schiffer said:

aahh yes your right, my bad

and yes. i didnt notice the space to shift from left to right which means

to shift from D to 3 (D-3) where D acts as the 4th Gear

and no, some old Toyota's came with a 3 or 2 speed Auto gearbox without and OD button..

my previous corolla EE103 didn't have a OD button on it. it was a 3 speed automatic

maybe before 2000 but that would have had a higher rev band i guess!