Fuel Strike Back On?

[isurujosh]

no no buddy... there aint no steam involved in this thing bro... scientifically speaking it has something to do with the constituents of water.. most of the scientists have been trying to extract H2 (from water) and this guy has somehow done it.. (dont ask me) so basically there aint no steam in this modification. The exhausts going to be basically water from what i think. The only problem is that it rusts the inside of the engine. So that should be sorted out first.. Do a search and you will understand what i mean.. :-D

Zz

According to your claim you use water as fuel(Input) and then as I have highlighted above you end up with water in the end too. How come you input water and get water as an output and still manage to generate energy (there seems to be no activity of transforming anything into another hence generate power in the process)

I can say that you are trying to mention about fuel cells that convert H2 into H2O(combution) hence generate power

You guys would never believe it if I'd tell you but anyways... a US dude has come up with an innovation which would enable any vehicle to run on WATER, yes.. pure H20.. the only problem being that it would rust the insides of the engine.. therefore requiring some engine modification basically a coat of non-rusting protective paint in the interiors but unfortunately I am unable to provide a source.

A small search via Google would bring out the results :-)

Zz

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Proof that he said it was water that is to be used as input too! please don't get offended, I know you were trying to bring up something constructive but H20 -> H20 thing sounded bit funny, so I highlighted it. I understand that you may have made a mistake or even I might have missed something.

[neXGen]

duh... did i say that? man.. sorry i was really high at that time. dude.. i said i think, i didnt necessarily say that am SURE about it... did a little more reading about it and from what it seems it is not H2 but HH. And yes, most probably little water does get ended up at the exhaust incase it was not processed in the engine. Plenty of reasons buddy but i said i think and thats why I asked you guys to do a search on google ;-). So in other words, I provided info which i thought was true and even though i didnt get the facts right, I did POINT you out in the direction to get the right facts.. lolz...

Man! You teaching anywhere isuru? lolz.. anyways thanks for pointing it out!! lolz...

Zz

[dragster]

There was a recent report on CNN regarding the use of alternate fuels in Brazil and they seem to be the leading country that uses Suger cane fuel. They are hoping to use this fuel in 80% of all vehicles by 2007/08. I think Sri Lanka can learn a lesson or two from them if the GOV decideds they really want to go on this path for the future of the country. This is also very cheap,pollution freeand on of the best renewable energy sources.

What was really interesting was that leading names such as VW,Ford, etc. etc. have plants in Brazil that are turning out duel fuel vehicles and going into full production of suger cane fuel(sorry, I do not know the correct scientific name) models some of which are already being used by the comman man.

WOW, I cannot wait to see the day we drive on suger in Colombo!

dude... that wont work in sri lanka bro... if they go ahead with that, they'll start increasing suger prices... on the other hand that would be healthy as well... people will start drinking sugerless liquids.. imagine paying about 400/= for a litre of ice cream

[dragster]

Can you post some before & after figures of your fuel economy.

well I got a Dual Carb -

before in the city it ran - 7kmpl

after it runs - about 9.5kmpl

[ash]

it's only IOC.. CEYPETCO stands the same price...

The way I've heard it's Rs.5.00 by I*C and Rs.3.00 by Cey**co.

[noaim]

The way I've heard it's Rs.5.00 by I*C and Rs.3.00 by Cey**co.

And once again we are f**ked!

[dragster]

And once again we are f**ked!

yup... bloddy goverment sucks...

by the way.. just heard on the news that we are getting trashed in Muththur by the #####...

[neXGen]

Mahinda Chinthanatha JayaWEWA!!! lmao.. Got to search the net for the device to convert some polythene bags into petrol atleast at the rate the prices are skyrocketing..

Zz

[Pericles]

imagine paying about 400/= for a litre of ice cream

NNNOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

Oh wait a minute.... Cadbury is somewhere there anyway..... nevermind, carry on...

Edited August 2, 2006 by Pericles

[nadskit]

You guys would never believe it if I'd tell you but anyways... a US dude has come up with an innovation which would enable any vehicle to run on WATER, yes.. pure H20.. the only problem being that it would rust the insides of the engine.. therefore requiring some engine modification basically a coat of non-rusting protective paint in the interiors but unfortunately I am unable to provide a source.

A small search via Google would bring out the results :-)

Zz

Hmmm..well from what I have heard about this, it's is not that the vehicals can run on water but they have come up wz a fuel enhancement formula for the vehicles that works on hydrocarbons (CH), they use H2O and through a electrolysis process they break it to HHO (Oxyhydrogen) which works as a Oxydizer on Hydrocarbones and enhance fuel efficiency..

But I'm not quite sure about the fact on how HHO can act as a oxydizer on carbon here..

[dragster]

NNNOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

Oh wait a minute.... Cadbury is somewhere there anyway..... nevermind, carry on...

well I'm sorry to break it to you again brotha

OT BUT

DID YOU KNOW THAT CADBURY CHOCOLATES HAVE BEEN WITHDRAWN FROM EUROPE BECAUSE OF CONTAMINATION WITH A RARE STRAIN OF SALMONELLA. AND OF COURSE WHAT BETTER PLACE TO DUMP THESE WASTED PRODUCTS THAN THE THIRD WORLD

[nadskit]

well I'm sorry to break it to you again brotha

OT BUT

DID YOU KNOW THAT CADBURY CHOCOLATES HAVE BEEN WITHDRAWN FROM EUROPE BECAUSE OF CONTAMINATION WITH A RARE STRAIN OF SALMONELLA. AND OF COURSE WHAT BETTER PLACE TO DUMP THESE WASTED PRODUCTS THAN THE THIRD WORLD

Cadbury salmonella scare probed

Cadbury said the withdrawal was a "precautionary measure"

An investigation is under way after Cadbury withdrew a million chocolate bars which may have been contaminated with a rare strain of salmonella.

The company says the recall - while the Food Standards Agency and the Health Protection Agency investigate - is precautionary and that the risk is low.

But a bacteriologist says there is no safe level for salmonella in chocolate.

The possible contamination has been traced to a leaking pipe at a Cadbury's plant in Herefordshire in January.

Samples were sent to an independent laboratory after the leak was discovered at the Marlbrook plant, and the montevideo strain of salmonella was identified.

Government watchdog the Health Protection Agency (HPA) confirmed the strain and, a week ago, the Food Standards Agency (FSA) was alerted.

AFFECTED CHOCOLATE PRODUCTS

Dairy Milk Turkish 250g

Dairy Milk Caramel

Dairy Milk Mint bars

Dairy Milk 8 chunk

Dairy Milk 1kg bar

Dairy Milk Buttons Easter Egg 105g

10p Freddo bar

On Monday, Cadbury officially informed the FSA of the possible contamination of the seven products.

The 250g Dairy Milk Turkish, Dairy Milk Caramel and Dairy Milk Mint bars, the Dairy Milk 8 chunk and the 1kg Dairy Milk bar are among products affected.

The 105g Dairy Milk Buttons Easter Egg and the Freddo bar were also affected.

'Precautionary measure'

Cadbury's European president Matthew Shattock told BBC Radio 4's Today programme the recall decision was made after the FSA revealed there had been an increase in the number of salmonella cases this year.

"We decided to conduct a precautionary recall to reassure our consumers and the public at large to minimise any confusion as to the quality of our products," he said.

Salmonella is a common cause of food poisoning but the montevideo strain is very rare.

There have been 45 cases in the UK in the last four months, compared with just 12 in the same period last year.

But a Health Protection Agency spokeswoman stressed that at the moment there was no evidence for a link between the increase in cases and the Cadbury recall.

The levels are significantly below the standard that would be any health problem

Cadbury spokesman

Mr Shattock said the firm was "absolutely satisfied" its products were safe to eat.

"We identified a problem early. We corrected it and fixed it," he said.

Cadbury said the levels of contamination were "significantly below the standard that would be any health problem".

It said people who had eaten one of the affected bars should not be worried about the risks but could contact the company for a refund.

However, bacteriologist Professor Hugh Pennington of Aberdeen University told BBC News that the only safe level of salmonella in chocolate was "zero".

"The fat in chocolate actually preserves the salmonella from the normal intestinal defences, so you don't have to eat very many salmonellas to get infected.

"It's about a thousand times less than if you're eating it from traditional sources like meats," he said.

The factory at Marlbrook generates 97,000 tonnes of milk chocolate crumb every year.

It processes 180 million litres of fresh milk, 56,000 tonnes of sugar and 13,000 tonnes of cocoa liquor annually in the production process.

The crumb is transported to other sites at Bournville, near Birmingham, and Somerdale, near Bristol, to be blended with cocoa butter and turned into milk chocolate.

A Cadbury spokesman said the company had been manufacturing chocolate for more than 100 years and always treated public wellbeing as its "highest priority".

[Pericles]

well I'm sorry to break it to you again brotha

OT BUT

DID YOU KNOW THAT CADBURY CHOCOLATES HAVE BEEN WITHDRAWN FROM EUROPE BECAUSE OF CONTAMINATION WITH A RARE STRAIN OF SALMONELLA. AND OF COURSE WHAT BETTER PLACE TO DUMP THESE WASTED PRODUCTS THAN THE THIRD WORLD

I already dealt with this at office after someone was foolish enough to mail me on this.

My reply:

Ado, stop spreading bullshit machang.

1. This is outdated (This was June)

2. Its just paranoid and assuming that chocolates will get bumped here. BUT it stated like proven fact. ("Of course"? WTF?)

3. We don't get Cadbury from UK. We get the shitty stuff from India and Australia.

BULLSHIT! BULLSHIT!! BULLSHIT!!!

Then he said

But still there is some possibility because people coming from UK might bring in. So, this is not BULLSHIT my brother.

To which I said

Still bullshit, coz of the way its written. Just another conspiracy theory stated like facts.

U DO understand what "product recall" means, right? It means its not on the shelves anymore, so no one coming from England is gonna bring those over.

Accusing a high standing company of passing off products to the third world coz they can't sell it in Europe? Ever hear of libel and slander? Wheres the proof of that? Some j***a$$ finds out about a product recall and automatically assumes that the "evil" "great satan" west will dispatch it off to the poor third world brothers? Gimme a break...

If u wanna spread the news, spread the links, not the commentary, coz that is pure bullshit.

"Cheaper prices" my ass.

Will there be anything else?

[neXGen]

Heres a link so that you could get some info about the H20 engine..

http://www.mobilemag.com/content/100/354/C8115/

yup nadskit! it could be run in combo with the normal fuel to obtain higher fuel efficiency and reduce pollutants. It seems that the prob is contributed by the power needed for the conversion of H20 to HH. This guy seems to have solved it though.. Not really sure..

Zz

[isurujosh]

duh... did i say that? man.. sorry i was really high at that time. dude.. i said i think, i didnt necessarily say that am SURE about it... did a little more reading about it and from what it seems it is not H2 but HH. And yes, most probably little water does get ended up at the exhaust incase it was not processed in the engine. Plenty of reasons buddy but i said i think and thats why I asked you guys to do a search on google ;-). So in other words, I provided info which i thought was true and even though i didnt get the facts right, I did POINT you out in the direction to get the right facts.. lolz...

Man! You teaching anywhere isuru? lolz.. anyways thanks for pointing it out!! lolz...

Zz

No I don't teach.

Cool scene brother, I didn't intend to tell that you meant something stupid, I have highlighted in the latter part of my post that your intentions must have been good and that it could very be misinterpreted. So I guess we share the same opinion. anyway this H + O -> H2O thing is fuel cells

[nadskit]

No I don't teach.

Cool scene brother, I didn't intend to tell that you meant something stupid, I have highlighted in the latter part of my post that your intentions must have been good and that it could very be misinterpreted. So I guess we share the same opinion. anyway this H + O -> H2O thing is fuel cells

No Isuru fuels have only C, H no oxygen.

[MADZ]

I already dealt with this at office after someone was foolish enough to mail me on this.

My reply:

Then he said

To which I said

Will there be anything else?

(OT)

hay Pericles check this out ...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/5112470.stm

[nadskit]

(OT)

hay Pericles check this out ...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/5112470.stm

Its da same thing I posted ne Madz..

[Pericles]

(OT)

hay Pericles check this out ...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/5112470.stm

I saw that already. The mail I got included that link. It doesn't address what I said. Which is that its outdated, doesn't really concern Sri Lankans and the mail is jumping to conclusions. I don't dispute the fact that there WAS a problem. BBC doesn't say that they decided to dump the chocolates in the third world markets, did they? Thats the root of my beef. Sure there was a problem. Sure some ppl got sick. The UK members on this forum probably heard about it already. BUT it doesn't mean Cadbury dumped the affected stuff in the third world instead of destroying it.

Which was why I told the guy who sent it to me

If u wanna spread the news, spread the links, not the commentary, coz that is pure bullshit.

Coz look, the way it is said, its like all cadbury has been banned from Europe, so they are trying to pass the products off in the third world. But in FACT, only 7 specific products are affected. None of those are marketed here in SL. So who is the joker who came up with "AND OF COURSE WHAT BETTER PLACE TO DUMP THESE WASTED PRODUCTS THAN THE THIRD WORLD"?

[The Don]

Pricles,

Give up man, Sri Lanka is too full of conspiracy theorists and moaners who complain more rather than proactively doing anything about anything, or being pragmatic and dealing with the realities of matters.

I found out recently why we don't get chocolates direct from europe etc, cos I on my way back took some Sri Lankan chocolates back since I missed the taste, and quite honestly I didn't enjoy them much cos they refused to melt and I had to chew them. Upon further investigation it seems that in hot countries they increase the percentage of coco pouder they put in to chocolate to stop them melting in higher temperatures, because else chocolate would always need cold storage and that isnt practical, while as in europe the reduce it since the ambient temperatures aren't as high as in South asia for example.

As far as the fuel prices go, expect further increases, and if Iran gets dragged into the conflict and if the Security Council imposes sanctions on Iran expect fuel prices to surge further since they are a major supplier of petroleum. Also the demand of middle eastern oil is increasing since european reserves especially in the north sea is running out.

Basically the fuel price increases have nothing to do with a Chintanaya or the Sri Lankan government. If not for the generous fuel subsidies the prices should be even higher, so be thankful rather than complain. I mean people shout out for privatisation of government monopolies as well as a market ecconomy. Price rises based on world market rates is a part of the deal so either we accept that, or we adopt a socialist system with wealth distribution where everything is subsidised and controlled, but we all know the down side of that.

Regards,

The Don

PS. Me no supporter of "the Chintanaya" I don't even know what it is.

[milinda]

I saw that already. The mail I got included that link. It doesn't address what I said. Which is that its outdated, doesn't really concern Sri Lankans and the mail is jumping to conclusions. I don't dispute the fact that there WAS a problem. BBC doesn't say that they decided to dump the chocolates in the third world markets, did they? Thats the root of my beef. Sure there was a problem. Sure some ppl got sick. The UK members on this forum probably heard about it already. BUT it doesn't mean Cadbury dumped the affected stuff in the third world instead of destroying it.

Which was why I told the guy who sent it to me

Coz look, the way it is said, its like all cadbury has been banned from Europe, so they are trying to pass the products off in the third world. But in FACT, only 7 specific products are affected. None of those are marketed here in SL. So who is the joker who came up with "AND OF COURSE WHAT BETTER PLACE TO DUMP THESE WASTED PRODUCTS THAN THE THIRD WORLD"?

Well I agree 100% with Pericles, I dont think Cadbury would ever consider dumping their contaminated chocolates in the third world. As I work in retail trade I have first hand experience on this. When this issue came up cadbury personally contacted all major retail chains and adviced them to distroy whatever those affected stocks they have with them. Then there were announcements in the papers to the general public and small retailers to either to return the stock or to destroy them. (if your are a retailer and had distroyed the stock then refund was given through the supplier ,honouring your word)Further more this was a front page news article in all national papers

Then again I received a call from local council reminding me to distroy any affected stock and I came to know that local counsils are calling and monitoring each and every local retailer within their counsils to ensure that all stocks are being distroyed (incase if any small retailer hasnt heard/ informed abt the issue)later on they followed it by carrying out random checks to see if any retailer still sells these products.

So most of the products which were already in the market and in warehouses were actually distroyed by either the retailers or by the supply chains.(i.e not actually recalled as one would imagine)

but Cadbury is not so innocent as some would imagine as they knew abt this possible contamination since january but didnt take any steps to investigate until june.

[milinda]

Pricles,

If not for the generous fuel subsidies the prices should be even higher, so be thankful rather than complain.

You are quite right there Don.Are there any other countries in the world which subsidies the price of fuel??? I of course know of many countries which impose taxes on fuel. just wonder!!

[The Don]

You are quite right there Don.Are there any other countries in the world which subsidies the price of fuel??? I of course know of many countries which impose taxes on fuel. just wonder!!

Hi Milinda, I think a lot of developing countries subsidise fuel, some countries find it easier if they have their own petrolium resources.

Do you work in the retail industry in the UK milinda ?

Regards,

The Don

[isurujosh]

No Isuru fuels have only C, H no oxygen.

Madam why this quotations out of context. We were involved in a "power sources" for vehicles discussion, and even babies know that fuel in it's own right does not generate any power/force/energy. Fuel as you are well aware has to be subjected to combution to generate power. Combution adds oxygen.

No Isuru fuels have only C, H no oxygen.

For your additional information, FUEL cells take H as and input(fuel), burn it(or whatever they call it), and create energy(or whatever they call it) and water H2O is the waste product.

[nadskit]

Madam why this quotations out of context. We were involved in a "power sources" for vehicles discussion, and even babies know that fuel in it's own right does not generate any power/force/energy. Fuel as you are well aware has to be subjected to combution to generate power. Combution adds oxygen.

Ah ehema kiyyannko..