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Toyota ProBOX : Difference between GL and DX trim levels


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On 6/3/2020 at 8:48 AM, Kiratu said:

What is the main difference between a gl and dx in probox

You might want to consider a different car unless you need it to carry rice from mattala. Probox comes in DX and GL but both are not comfortable rides and opt on bare minium options. The suspension is stiff, the seats are from something like a bulldozer and the ride is no fun. Furthermore there is no auto climate control, Power windows (Its an option on GL), power mirrors, Dash is just a speedometer and indicators etc.. 

This car is very popular in countries like pakistan and bangladesh, and is one of the cheapest toyotas there. But for the price of importing one or getting one in Sri Lanka you have a lot more better choices. 

But in general DX is the basic trim for most toyotas, GL stands for grande luxe so its opt to have more options and side extras. 

In modern toyota cars the grades mosly go as X for basic trim and G, GLX etc for the higher trim models. 

Owners  of allions and premios will talk well about the differences between F grades and G+ or G superior trims ?

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. I agree but disagree with @HaeylM in his assessment.

The Probox and Succeed are business models and configured for goods carriage more than passenger transport. Even the way the dashboard has been designed..it is for business users...trays to leave laptops and lunch boxes, boxes for business cards and mobile phones, etc....the rear has forward facing bench seats (like in the old KE72/EE92/EE102) and set up in a way to maximize cargo space.

Where driving is concerned...it does have a certain level of enjoyment because of its simplicity. No drive by wire or tuned up EPC...just basics...you do feel rather connected. I loved the fact that the wheels were in the four corners...had a level of chuckyness to it. In fact it is the represent day version of the KE72/EE92/EE102 DX Wagon/Elephant Back, etc...the features and comfort are pretty much the same. The ride is also pretty much the same (so no..it does not bounce all over the place...it is just that it does not have a sedan like ride like a Corolla Fielder/Touring Wagon or a Nissan Wingroad or something). If you are looking for a modern day DX Wagon/Elephant back with minimal creature comfort then this is an option. If the car is mainly used by you and not many passengers..then yes..it is for you. If you carry a lot of luggage a lot..then this is for you. But try to go for a GL because you get cloth inserted seats with head rests and some other useful features.

If you are looking for strictly a family vehicle (kids and in-laws in the back). Then look for something else. 

The newer ones are more refined than the old ones. 

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On 7/3/2020 at 11:10 AM, iRage said:

. I agree but disagree with @HaeylM in his assessment.

The Probox and Succeed are business models and configured for goods carriage more than passenger transport. Even the way the dashboard has been designed..it is for business users...trays to leave laptops and lunch boxes, boxes for business cards and mobile phones, etc....the rear has forward facing bench seats (like in the old KE72/EE92/EE102) and set up in a way to maximize cargo space.

Where driving is concerned...it does have a certain level of enjoyment because of its simplicity. No drive by wire or tuned up EPC...just basics...you do feel rather connected. I loved the fact that the wheels were in the four corners...had a level of chuckyness to it. In fact it is the represent day version of the KE72/EE92/EE102 DX Wagon/Elephant Back, etc...the features and comfort are pretty much the same. The ride is also pretty much the same (so no..it does not bounce all over the place...it is just that it does not have a sedan like ride like a Corolla Fielder/Touring Wagon or a Nissan Wingroad or something). If you are looking for a modern day DX Wagon/Elephant back with minimal creature comfort then this is an option. If the car is mainly used by you and not many passengers..then yes..it is for you. If you carry a lot of luggage a lot..then this is for you. But try to go for a GL because you get cloth inserted seats with head rests and some other useful features.

If you are looking for strictly a family vehicle (kids and in-laws in the back). Then look for something else. 

The newer ones are more refined than the old ones. 

Yes you are correct about the fact that this car does come with a ton of storage compartments and space, But the ride is not anything close to a elephant back corolla. The elephant back corolla was the middle ground for DX wagons and a family car. The seats are not the best but the ride comfort was not bad. plus the car is very responsive and the pricepoint matched the exact needs for a basic family wagon.  Probox is no where near that. having gone in one a few times, the ride is more or less close to a Nissan Atlas.  Toyota refined its wagons soon after the elephant back corolla generation was phased out (The G touring of corolla wagon) when it introduced the corolla fielder(2003 ish), as a comfortable middle ground for people who needed a wagon but also the ride comfort of a corolla. It served both the general commute and business needs. Probox was the alternative for mostly short hop business cargo. This is much like how the older liteace & Townace van was more passenger oriented and the newer liteace & Townace is cargo oriented by phasing out the townace comfort oriented models (Kr-42) to the more comforable Noah/Voxy models. 

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13 hours ago, HaeylM said:

Yes you are correct about the fact that this car does come with a ton of storage compartments and space, But the ride is not anything close to a elephant back corolla. The elephant back corolla was the middle ground for DX wagons and a family car. The seats are not the best but the ride comfort was not bad. plus the car is very responsive and the pricepoint matched the exact needs for a basic family wagon.  Probox is no where near that. having gone in one a few times, the ride is more or less close to a Nissan Atlas.  Toyota refined its wagons soon after the elephant back corolla generation was phased out (The G touring of corolla wagon) when it introduced the corolla fielder(2003 ish), as a comfortable middle ground for people who needed a wagon but also the ride comfort of a corolla. It served both the general commute and business needs. Probox was the alternative for mostly short hop business cargo. This is much like how the older liteace & Townace van was more passenger oriented and the newer liteace & Townace is cargo oriented by phasing out the townace comfort oriented models (Kr-42) to the more comforable Noah/Voxy models. 

Well..we are going to have to agree to disagree. I have used one for a month after moving to Japan (could not use my own car because I could not get to it due to quarantine requirements :(. The ProBox and Succeed are pretty much the modern day elephant backs and KE72s and EE92s....Not much different at all (and I have gone in one in Malawi with bad roads..it was not any better or any worst than any van variant with leafs in the back)....and no...it is not like a Nissan Atlas :)Believe it or not I have used one of those too out in the fields :) (well a Cabstar). Have they changed the formula ? Yes....it has been made a bit more utilitarian than the old vans. But they have also made it more sensible for commercial use. 

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I loved driving this thing. Since the wheels are so far out it was very chuckable and easy to manuever. The lack of all the cladding meant really good visibility too. It chugged along with 3 large suitcases, 3 hand-carry bags, 2 kids (with child seats) and two adults with no fuss at all. Settled for this over the new Corolla Touring wagon because it simply could not handle more than 2 large suitcases and when the kids seats were put on there literally was no space for even a back pack in the back.

If a person wants a simple vehicle with space and minimal passenger use and is not looking for sedan like comfort ..then the Probox is a good option (its utilitarian. hassle free and simple..and if you want...easily customizable). If a person is looking for predominantly passenger use and do not need much utility out of space and want sedan like comfort..then a Touring wagon/Fielder/Wingroad would be better (passenger use and comfort is what its designed for). I have stated this earlier. 

Sri Lankans have a bad habit of taking and putting cars out of context and then demonizing it. Just like how people buy a 600cc kei car; expect it to have 1500cc sedan like performance and then saying that the kei car is a failure.

@HaeylM.....As for your bit about the refinement and the evolution...sorry but you have left out a few key things that paint an  incomplete picture :) 

For starters..you need to realize than in Japan you get this body configuration as vans, classified for commercial use; and passenger vehicles, classified for passenger transport. Passenger vehicles can be for private use or for business use. Business use is for fleets (sales reps, taxis, etc.., i.e. still predominant use for passengers and their luggage, not commercial use with heavy pay-loads, etc...)

Now...

What we Sri Lankans considered as WAGONS with the KE72 and EE92 were NOT wagons. They were vans for commercial use (or shop hop use as you put it). They had leafs in the back and had very utilitarian features.  Along side these vans; they had wagon variants. The E70 series wagon was the KE73G and it came in GL and DX trims. They had plusher a interior (not very plush compared to modern or even 90s standards but plush for its day), suspension was a bit more refined (softer leaves) and the GL was even offered with faux wood paneling . The E90 series Touring wagon came as the AE91G and pretty much had the setup of the E90 sedan. This came in in L and G touring wagon trims. In addition to the Touring Wagon, the E90 was also offered in a Business Wagon which came in L and L Extra grades . The E100 Corolla followed the same strategy as the E90..van, business wagon and touring wagon. For the most part Sri Lankans got familiar with Touring and Business wagons only with the E100 series and this I believe has lead to the misconception that Toyota "wagons" got significantly refined after (or onwards from) the E100 series Corolla. Now true the E100 and the successive Fielder got improvements over the others due to technology and material changes/upgrades. Not because there was a change in direction or focus. It was not a case of the E70 and E90 series (and even the E100) being unrefined and simple/ basic and there was this major evolutionary refinement later on with a paradigm shift. That statement seems to be somewhat based on just pure comparison between the Fielder (which was a wagon) and the E100 Touring Wagons against the E70 and E90 van variants. Wagon to wagon there was no ground breaking "refinement" or ideology. In fact at a certain point the refinement of the Corolla/Fielder just started going down.  (On a side note...the E100 was over engineered as the Toyota engineers wanted to create a mini Lexus LS and the entire range came with far better interior and exterior build than any other Corolla up to that point and many other Corollas after that.)

After the E100 Corolla...Toyota split the van and the wagon ranges. In fact the E110 series Corolla did not get a van/wagon and the E100 van/wagon just continued. With the 120 series and the Corolla getting the MC platform, the replacement for the Corolla van (for commercial use) was the Probox/Succeed (lets not forget the MC platform was larger platform which had implications on vehicle dimensions) and the replacement for the Corolla wagon (for passenger use) was the Fielder.  The Fielder, just as in the Corolla Wagon range was for private use or business use. In fact Toyota was just recovering after a recession (which is why the E110 Corolla was all borrowed tech from the E100)...so instead of having separate business and touring wagon ranges as in the past they just combined the two and offered everything in one wagon.

As for refinement...ask anyone who has owned a Corolla E100 ..they will stake their life on the fact that the E120/E140 Corollas were plasticy and materials felt cheap (not bad...but a certain thing missing). This applies for the Fielder wagons as well. Lets not even talk about the 160 Fielder/Axio which is based on the same platform as the Vitz/Probox/Succeed). 

Again...goes back to the initial statement of taking a car out of its context and demonizing it...the Probox is not bad for what it is...and it is in many ways an improvement to what the old VAN variants were. So if someone is looking for a KE72/EE92/EE102 replacement/like vehicle then yes..the Probox/Succeed is a good alternative. 

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