Like Chinese Vehicles?

[Saturn]

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseacti...ideoID=33928939

[Supra_Natural]

Woah

no hope for ANY of the occupants in there! significantly worse than even the CheryQQ or the Jiangling Landwind Crash Test vids!

[Ripper]

Woah

no hope for ANY of the occupants in there! significantly worse than even the CheryQQ or the Jiangling Landwind Crash Test vids!

you get what you pay for i suppose

[Miyuru Daminda]

What about Indian vehicles ( maruti 800, Alto, Swift ) Are they safe?

[Devinda_Z]

What about Indian vehicles ( maruti 800, Alto, Swift ) Are they safe?

The Japanese SWIFT should be just fine given it has a 4 Star EURO NCAP crash test rating

[Devinda_Z]

What about Indian vehicles ( maruti 800, Alto, Swift ) Are they safe?

The Japanese SWIFT should be just fine given it has a 4 Star EURO NCAP crash test rating

[Devinda_Z]

though i doubt the Indian made varient has Air-Bags

[albertho]

Ouch ....

[maithri]

I think all the Swift's in the uk(recent ones) are made in India. Air bags, ABS etc are relatively cheap extras in some markets whils Standard in others, just like Air Con/ Climate control etc. I remember a small Volkswagen in the latter half of the 90's with air bag an optional extra. To this day the passenger air bag is an optional extra in many cheaper models of european cars now made in Polish, Check's factories that in the days of Communism manufactured the Skoda's FSO's etc.etc.

We should not look down on Indian or Chinese products like we used to look down on the Jap cars of the 60's and the early70's, Look where Japan and Korea is today, specially Korea- compared to us!

Maithri.

[Saturn]

I think all the Swift's in the uk(recent ones) are made in India. Air bags, ABS etc are relatively cheap extras in some markets whils Standard in others, just like Air Con/ Climate control etc. I remember a small Volkswagen in the latter half of the 90's with air bag an optional extra. To this day the passenger air bag is an optional extra in many cheaper models of european cars now made in Polish, Check's factories that in the days of Communism manufactured the Skoda's FSO's etc.etc.

We should not look down on Indian or Chinese products like we used to look down on the Jap cars of the 60's and the early70's, Look where Japan and Korea is today, specially Korea- compared to us!

Maithri.

Dude, its not a case of 'looking down' on a product.. more like not wanting people to die violent, terrible, and preventable deaths.

From the crash tests I've seen so far, virtually all chinese made vehicles are terrible deathtraps.

I hope Sri Lankans who buy these vehicles are aware of these facts, but somehow I doubt that.

I guess this will be darwinism in a way.

Indian vehicles are (AFAIK) pretty good, crash test wise (most of them) are based on old japanese designs.. and they do crash testing in India.

[Miyuru Daminda]

what about safety of micro cars?

[Devinda_Z]

& how embarrasing is this for Volvo!

Volv-oh dear

And the TopGear Award for Impact through Technology goes to... Volvo!

At a media event in Sweden over the weekend, the Swedish manufacturer chose to show off its latest technology: the new collision detection system on the S60.

You know how the tech works: sensors in the car detect obstacles in the road ahead, applying the brakes to slow or even stop the car before a big crunchy mess occurs.

A fine idea... so long as it works. Volvo's finest engineers released the unmanned S60 from its hutch at a speed of just under 30mph, sat back and...

Well, fast-forward to about 30 seconds into this clip and you'll find out. It doesn't require a firm grasp of Swedish to figure out that it doesn't go well.

Volvo blamed the failure of the technology on a battery issue which, it says, would have been easily spotted by a human driver. The collision detection system had also worked perfectly several times before the crash.

Maybe it was all a cunning PR ruse to demonstrate the effectiveness of the S60's crash structures.

Maybe, however, the Collision Detection System worked exactly as hoped, informing all and sundry after the impact that, yep, there had indeed been a collision.

We fear not. Whichever way, someone's going to have to go a long way to top this as Fail of the Month...

Source : http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/volvo-s...campaign=Group9

[madmax]

& how embarrasing is this for Volvo!

Not any more embarrassing than being bought over by Geely .... LOL

[xXx]

& how embarrasing is this for Volvo!

Merc had a similar hick up not too long ago

http://www.autospies.com/news/Technology-Failure-Embarrases-Mercedes-4453/

[rameez]

Not any more embarrassing than being bought over by Geely .... LOL

that was a good one.......the european pride being swollowed

[rameez]

Dude, its not a case of 'looking down' on a product.. more like not wanting people to die violent, terrible, and preventable deaths.

From the crash tests I've seen so far, virtually all chinese made vehicles are terrible deathtraps.

I hope Sri Lankans who buy these vehicles are aware of these facts, but somehow I doubt that.

I guess this will be darwinism in a way.

Indian vehicles are (AFAIK) pretty good, crash test wise (most of them) are based on old japanese designs.. and they do crash testing in India.

what have you got to say about the recent debacle about the toyota vehicles............I mean being an established brand even they do mistakes and in that point of view i think this safety thing is quite subjective.In a few years it is all going going to be chinese even you like it or not.

[harshansenadhir]

what have you got to say about the recent debacle about the toyota vehicles............I mean being an established brand even they do mistakes and in that point of view i think this safety thing is quite subjective.In a few years it is all going going to be chinese even you like it or not.

going to be, yeah may be. Till then who uses chinese will be guinea pigs or lab rats? In another words till they enhance safety at least not to be killed at 60kmph.

[Ripper]

going to be, yeah may be. Till then who uses chinese will be guinea pigs or lab rats? In another words till they enhance safety at least not to be killed at 60kmph.

yep... for the chinese..it's just mathematics.

they are giving out and inferior product for a cheaper price since the lower bracket car spenders are the majority in the world it's easy for them to get sales.

As the market grows in china and some form of democracy i'd assume that they too will have to get their product in shape.

It's a given that even the largest of the car brands in world have been plagued with technical issues on and off.

The difference i see is that generally jap, euro manufacturers don't overlook safety when they design cars since it's a part of the reason that people pay a premium for. And they don't want the brand image to suffer.

Chinese manufacturers on the other hand don't bother too much with safety cos most of their customers are mostly interested in the price tag and not necessarily safety. And they are only interested in sales at these stages and not too bothered about the brand.

like Rameez says...

It might be all chinese in the future but that doesn't make them good.

a decent example in the local motorcycle market.

You hardly see a japanese bike nowadays.

If i were to guess, i'd say over 90% of bikes on the road or indian or chinese.

And comparing a jap bike to an indian or chinese is like comparing apple to pol gedi!

[rameez]

yep... for the chinese..it's just mathematics.

they are giving out and inferior product for a cheaper price since the lower bracket car spenders are the majority in the world it's easy for them to get sales.

As the market grows in china and some form of democracy i'd assume that they too will have to get their product in shape.

It's a given that even the largest of the car brands in world have been plagued with technical issues on and off.

The difference i see is that generally jap, euro manufacturers don't overlook safety when they design cars since it's a part of the reason that people pay a premium for. And they don't want the brand image to suffer.

Chinese manufacturers on the other hand don't bother too much with safety cos most of their customers are mostly interested in the price tag and not necessarily safety. And they are only interested in sales at these stages and not too bothered about the brand.

like Rameez says...

It might be all chinese in the future but that doesn't make them good.

a decent example in the local motorcycle market.

You hardly see a japanese bike nowadays.

If i were to guess, i'd say over 90% of bikes on the road or indian or chinese.

And comparing a jap bike to an indian or chinese is like comparing apple to pol gedi!

I beg to disagree with regard to indian bikes..........it is not that indians cannot make bikes they cater to a different market.I have used indian bikes and most of them are quite durable and easy to maintain and are of high quality, one thing that has come of age is the bikes in India.Recently I rode the pulsar 200 to ratnapura and the pickup was amazing and the bike was effortless in ovetaking at times i think it could even match a similar japanese bike with all the gizmos it has such as fuel injection and oil cooling technology.however i cannot say the same for chinese bike as they have a long way to come.That was the reason many chinese vendors are closing like the same way they opened up here in 2006/2007 like mushrooms.Ppl used them some time and thought that they will be another alternative to indians but once the trouble start to come then the true picture was shown

[Ripper]

I beg to disagree with regard to indian bikes..........it is not that indians cannot make bikes they cater to a different market.I have used indian bikes and most of them are quite durable and easy to maintain and are of high quality, one thing that has come of age is the bikes in India.Recently I rode the pulsar 200 to ratnapura and the pickup was amazing and the bike was effortless in ovetaking at times i think it could even match a similar japanese bike with all the gizmos it has such as fuel injection and oil cooling technology.however i cannot say the same for chinese bike as they have a long way to come.That was the reason many chinese vendors are closing like the same way they opened up here in 2006/2007 like mushrooms.Ppl used them some time and thought that they will be another alternative to indians but once the trouble start to come then the true picture was shown

hmm... well we can agree to disagree then

and btw...i would easily take on the Pulsar 200 with an 80's TZR or RZ 125 anyday Even my 4 stroke offroader XR250 has embarrassed many Pulsar riders who wanted to smoke me but failed in style... And i'm not talking about fancy jap bikes with EFI and all....good all carb bikes! And the XR being geared for more offroad stuff and not street riding.

I have an old MTX 200R...112- a 1989 model...about 8years ago when i changed it's piston for the first time...there were much much newer indian bikes getting their crank shafts and the likes replaced And i used to ride he MTX like i absolutely hated it those indian bike couldn't have suffered the same fate so at least to date...Indian bikes have a Loooooooong way to catch upto...

Have they made prgress? yes.

Are they comparable...No! At least not to me

[Pericles]

I beg to disagree with regard to indian bikes..........it is not that indians cannot make bikes they cater to a different market.I have used indian bikes and most of them are quite durable and easy to maintain and are of high quality, one thing that has come of age is the bikes in India.Recently I rode the pulsar 200 to ratnapura and the pickup was amazing and the bike was effortless in ovetaking at times i think it could even match a similar japanese bike with all the gizmos it has such as fuel injection and oil cooling technology.however i cannot say the same for chinese bike as they have a long way to come.That was the reason many chinese vendors are closing like the same way they opened up here in 2006/2007 like mushrooms.Ppl used them some time and thought that they will be another alternative to indians but once the trouble start to come then the true picture was shown

I'm gonna disagree with the high quality bit. I don't know about bikes in general, but the one time I liked one and tried it out (brand new at the showroom), close examination made it look like someone filed it with a steel file before painting it. The footpedals, rails, etc. Looked like it would rust off within a year. And that was a Yahama.

Possible, they are catering to the market, the market doesn't make demands of them so they just meet the demands. But those demands aren't for great quality so they don't have it. Maybe some models on some brands, but not overall. The R15 at least looked nice and looked well finished.

[rameez]

hmm... well we can agree to disagree then

and btw...i would easily take on the Pulsar 200 with an 80's TZR or RZ 125 anyday Even my 4 stroke offroader XR250 has embarrassed many Pulsar riders who wanted to smoke me but failed in style... And i'm not talking about fancy jap bikes with EFI and all....good all carb bikes! And the XR being geared for more offroad stuff and not street riding.

I have an old MTX 200R...112- a 1989 model...about 8years ago when i changed it's piston for the first time...there were much much newer indian bikes getting their crank shafts and the likes replaced And i used to ride he MTX like i absolutely hated it those indian bike couldn't have suffered the same fate so at least to date...Indian bikes have a Loooooooong way to catch upto...

Have they made prgress? yes.

Are they comparable...No! At least not to me

my friend did the same thing in parliment grounds and tried to out do a pulsar which has it's speed limit cutoff......he later lost by about 1/2 bike length,,,,,then the talk was changed saying we cannot compare a pulsar 200 with a yamaha TZR 125

Edited June 4, 2010 by rameez

[Ripper]

my friend did the same thing in parliment grounds and tried to out do a pulsar which has it's speed limit cutoff......he later lost by about 1/2 bike length,,,,,then the talk was changed saying we cannot compare a pulsar 200 with a yamaha TZR 125

i hope the yammy was in good condition and the ride knew how to race

I've been on some great tzr's...the rare 150 also...they are very fast bikes to say the least...

for me... personally...jap and italian bikes are the best.

the best bike i've ridden to date happens to be an Aprilia.

and for the record... a tzr 125 can be easily compared to the pulsar 200 and whoever said that it can't...doesn't know a lot about bikes.

the yammie is a two stroker while the pulsar is a 4 stroker.

I'm not 100%of the gearing but i would guess the yammie is geared towards sport riding that the more utilitarian pulsar.

[JadeyBlitzen]

Guys! the first video was just an exercise. I saw this on youtube sometime back and one viewer said it was actually an exercise conducted by some german organisation for scientific purposes or something. that was a 20 year old truck with 250000 miles on it, taken off from the highway department or something, then loaded with a 2 tonne weight and crashed onto a solid wall doing 60mph.

I'm sticking to that idea cos even a tuk tuk wont do that bad in a normal crash test.

[rameez]

i hope the yammy was in good condition and the ride knew how to race

I've been on some great tzr's...the rare 150 also...they are very fast bikes to say the least...

for me... personally...jap and italian bikes are the best.

the best bike i've ridden to date happens to be an Aprilia.

and for the record... a tzr 125 can be easily compared to the pulsar 200 and whoever said that it can't...doesn't know a lot about bikes.

the yammie is a two stroker while the pulsar is a 4 stroker.

I'm not 100%of the gearing but i would guess the yammie is geared towards sport riding that the more utilitarian pulsar.

yes the seating in the TZR is more of a racing and speed , where as the pulsar 200, and even the 220 is made for a bit of commuting as well.But overall my ideal bike is the honda supercub..............which was ranked the best bike of all times in a programme i saw in discovery.I also like the vespa scooter the new one. I have seen a few in the roads. The 150 CC is superb