Most Powerful Japanese Car Under 1600cc

[Bugatti]

Guys,

I'm curious to know, what the most powerful under 1600cc (NA) front engine car is, of the following makes.

- Honda

- Toyota

- Nissan

- Mitsubishi

- Mazda

Here is what I think..

Nissan = Could be the Pulsar VZR with NEO VVL engine 1569cc producing in the range of 165 - 190 bhp..?

Mazda = Is the Familia with VVti engine 1490cc producing 130 bhp.. (according to on-line specs)

Toyota = ??

Mitsubishi = ??

Honda = ??

Edited November 16, 2009 by Bugatti

[shanX]

Heh heh another thread that is gonna brew brand loyalism/fanboyism among members

Anyways where is the Honda SiR?? lol

Edited November 16, 2009 by shanX

[MasterDon]

first gen civic type-r???

EDIT : oops... i just realised you haven't listed honda in that list....my bad

Edited November 16, 2009 by MasterDon

[Bugatti]

  MasterDon said:

first gen civic type-r???

EDIT : oops... i just realised you haven't listed honda in that list....my bad

Sorry.. my bad, had forgotten to add the Honda.. how could I...??!!

[madmax]

Nissan = Pulsar/Sunny VZR (Engine SR16VE)

Mazda = Familia RS (Engine ??)

Toyota = Carina GT (4AGE)

Mitsubishi = Lancer/Mirage Mivec (Engine ??)

Honda = Civic SiR (B16)

Apart from the Mazda all cars have have around 160-170 BHP. You can see 3 out of the 5 here...

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=6352...mp;id=788313144

Edited November 16, 2009 by madmax

[Mani]

Edit.... Never mind. My reading comprehension is bad with the old age.

Edited November 17, 2009 by Mani

[rangerover]

Well the first car that came to my mind is the Mazda RX8 with 1,300 CC (roatary) engine and 200+ Bhp. Its a front mid engined car

[Bugatti]

  rangerover said:

Well the first car that came to my mind is the Mazda RX8 with 1,300 CC (roatary) engine and 200+ Bhp. Its a front mid engined car

Technically yes, but it is not a standard piston engine.. so can't have it in this comparison. Can we have figures (bhp) to go along with the list of cars...?

[agitha]

  Bugatti said:

Technically yes, but it is not a standard piston engine.. so can't have it in this comparison. Can we have figures (bhp) to go along with the list of cars...?

what about the ek 9 CTR it has 185hp and is a 1600

[m3cAnIx]

-Honda SiR- B16B (Type R) 160BHP - 185 BHP

-Toyota 4AGE & 4AG ZE Supercharged (Levin) 120 BHP-200BHP Depends how you set it up ...

-Nissan ( SR16 VE)

-Mitsubishi- 4G16 i guess...

-Mazda (B5 & B6) Quite powerful cz i had a B5 Astina...

[miniace]

B6T turbocharged,and intercooled 16V used in WRC 1985 323s were the most powerful Mazda 1600 with 150Bhp i think.Found on Production/works 323 GT-X/GTs and Ford Laser TX3 turbos.

Cant forget the 1.6 L B6ZE(RS) 125 bhp powered Mazda 89-93 Miata.

MINIACE

[Bugatti]

Turbos and Supercharges cannot be considered in this comparison... Only Natural Aspirated engines. Else we need to include the Starlet Gt, which will kick the sh*t out of all others eh?

[MRM]

i also think the Ek9 type R is the fastest , but Japanese have compared the N1 version of SR16( what Peri have ) with the Type R and their conclusion is a bit different

found these two video's in youtube , (real king of 1.6L)

at the same time found the following which says " civic type R smokin a Pulsar Vzr "

Edited November 17, 2009 by MRM

[highlander]

  Bugatti said:

Turbos and Supercharges cannot be considered in this comparison... Only Natural Aspirated engines. Else we need to include the Starlet Gt, which will kick the sh*t out of all others eh?

:angry-smiley-048: :D :angry-smiley-048:

Well said..proud to be a starlet owner!

[GihanFX]

  Bugatti said:

Turbos and Supercharges cannot be considered in this comparison... Only Natural Aspirated engines. Else we need to include the Starlet Gt, which will kick the sh*t out of all others eh?

noop, stock EK9 Type R is faster than a stock GT

[Pericles]

  Bugatti said:

Nissan = Could be the Pulsar VZR with NEO VVL engine 1569cc producing in the range of 165 - 190 bhp..?

Nissan SR16VE N1 = 197hp on the Serie II 199hp on the Serie II VZRs, if I remember right. Brand new and on 100 RON juice, just in case someone feels like asking me what 200hp feels like. I don't have a human dyno.

[Bugatti]

  Pericles said:

Nissan SR16VE N1 = 197hp on the Serie II 199hp on the Serie II VZRs, if I remember right. Brand new and on 100 RON juice, just in case someone feels like asking me what 200hp feels like. I don't have a human dyno.

Hmmm... I might drop in to Malabe this week.. how bout a burn?

[Pericles]

  Bugatti said:

Hmmm... I might drop in to Malabe this week.. how bout a burn?

Tell me the day in advance. 7kmpl means I don't drive to work

[Bugatti]

Ok, so phase_1 is almost complete.. we have identified the fastest cars from each make...

Honda - Civic SiR

Mitsubishi - ?

Mazda - Familia BG5/RS

Nissan - Pulsar VZ-R

Toyota - ?

Need some help on Mitsubishi and Toyota...

Edited November 17, 2009 by Bugatti

[Pericles]

  Bugatti said:

Ok, so phase_1 is almost complete.. we have identified the fastest cars from each make...

Thought you were looking at power output, not speed. A is not necessarily equal to B. Even then, you'd have to look at acceleration, not flat out top speed. I'm sure all those cars can hit the 180kmph limiter quite easily.

[Elvis_Pil]

Think you need to amend the list:

Honda should be with Civic Type R not SiR using to B16B motor

Toyota should be with the 4AGE20- black top motor found in the Carina GT & Levins

Nissan should be the Pulsar VzR-N1 (SR16VE N1) not the normal one

Mitsu- 4g92 Mivec motor equipped Mirage hatch- there is also a lower powered 4g92 without mivec

  Bugatti said:

Ok, so phase_1 is almost complete.. we have identified the fastest cars from each make...

Honda - Civic SiR

Mitsubishi - ?

Mazda - Familia BG5/RS

Nissan - Pulsar VZ-R

Toyota - ?

Need some help on Mitsubishi and Toyota...

Edited November 18, 2009 by Elvis_Pil

[Bugatti]

  Pericles said:

Thought you were looking at power output, not speed. A is not necessarily equal to B. Even then, you'd have to look at acceleration, not flat out top speed. I'm sure all those cars can hit the 180kmph limiter quite easily.

Yup, got your point.

What I'm curious to know is, acceleration... (i'm coming to that) not top end speed.

[Bugatti]

  Elvis_Pil said:

Think you need to amend the list:

Honda should be with Civic Type R not SiR using to B16B motor

Toyota should be with the 4AGE20- black top motor found in the Carina GT & Levins

Nissan should be the Pulsar VzR-N1 (SR16VE N1) not the normal one

Mitsu- 4g92 Mivec motor equipped Mirage hatch- there is also a lower powered 4g92 without mivec

Nice...

Now for phase_2, can we locate these car (owners) on AL..???

Honda - Racers Edge ?

Toyota - ?

Nissan - MRM/Pericles

Mitsu -

Mazda - GuruG

[Elvis_Pil]

Since we are looking at all brands- cant forget the Suzuki Cultus Suzuka edition- running the damn R13B motor spitting out 185 odd hp with VVT - off the Hayabusa More details from KLM perhaps

[LaZyBoY]

  Elvis_Pil said:

Since we are looking at all brands- cant forget the Suzuki Cultus Suzuka edition- running the damn R13B motor spitting out 185 odd hp with VVT - off the Hayabusa More details from KLM perhaps

Now that's impressive engineering!

I know there's a couple of GTis here, any running this engine??