Meter Panel Symbol And Abs Symbol Operation

[abiman]

Hello,

The car I'm talking about is Toyota Sprinter CE110 1997 Auto transmission model.

Today I took off the meter panel and found that previous owner of the car had wired (in parallel) ABS light on meter panel to another symbol which I don't know. (In attached symbol list ABS light marked as 2 and unknown symbol marked as 1.)

Now when I turn key to ON position this unknown symbol and ABS symbol turns on and when I start engine both turns off. (both bulbs are in parallel now hence shows operation of unknown symbol)

I have checked voltage on ABS wire comes to meter panel and it shows over 12V when car key is at ON position and when engine is running. So in reality ABS bulb is ON when key is in ON position and when engine is running.

now i want to know few things wrt this car.

1. What is the symbol marked by 1 (unknown to me)?

2. What is the correct operation of ABS light?( Should ABS light turn on when key is at on position and turn off when engine is started?)

thanks in advance.

[leyland]

They indicator that you have tagged as "1" is the indicator that warns you of excess water collected in the diesel filter. Normally if this indicator stays on when the engine is running, you need to drain the excess water from the diesel filter and its a simple job AFAIK and a DIY if you know what you are doing. As for the electronics part of you question, I'm not an expert so hopefully someone else can help you out. However, generally the ABS light will come on when you switch on the ignition and go off after a few seconds or after the engine is started if it is operating normally.

Edited May 18, 2011 by leyland

[Reckless]

Maybe there is a problem with the cars ABS and the previous owner had wired it in a way not to indicate any problem. If the ABS indicator is continuaslly on even when the engine is started it indicates a problem with your ABS. You should check your ABS and dashboard wiring from a qualified technician.

Edited May 18, 2011 by Reckless

[abiman]

Thanks for answers.

Can you suggest me good place to get this done around Galle/Hikkaduwa or Malambe/Kaduwela.

[MrCat]

So in reality ABS bulb is ON when key is in ON position and when engine is running.

Jeez..!! Chances are that your ABS system is actually having a fault. What a nice fix.!! You should go shoot the seller of the car!!

[abiman]

Jeez..!! Chances are that your ABS system is actually having a fault. What a nice fix.!! You should go shoot the seller of the car!!

yes I'm considering that now . just found he turned back meter about 70000km and guy was assistant bank manager @ Peoples bank.

[nexus]

Jeez..!! Chances are that your ABS system is actually having a fault. What a nice fix.!! You should go shoot the seller of the car!!

nice suggestion MrCat btw what is your car abiman

Edited May 18, 2011 by nexus

[abiman]

nice suggestion MrCat btw what is your car abiman

Toyota Sprinter CE110 1997 AUTO Transmission.

[Ripper]

They indicator that you have tagged as "1" is the indicator that warns you of excess water collected in the diesel filter. Normally if this indicator stays on when the engine is running, you need to drain the excess water from the diesel filter and its a simple job AFAIK and a DIY if you know what you are doing. As for the electronics part of you question, I'm not an expert so hopefully someone else can help you out. However, generally the ABS light will come on when you switch on the ignition and go off after a few seconds or after the engine is started if it is operating normally.

actually it's the water separator machang! the diesel filter only filters the fuel of any solid impurities.

the water separator is only there to take out any water that might get collected at in your fuel tank overtime.

[leyland]

actually it's the water separator machang! the diesel filter only filters the fuel of any solid impurities.

the water separator is only there to take out any water that might get collected at in your fuel tank overtime.

Generally, its in the same housing as the filter isn't it? At least on pre-2000 diesels with a manual hand pump on top? Anyway thanks for the heads up

[X Terra]

What is the correct operation of ABS light?( Should ABS light turn on when key is at on position and turn off when engine is started?)

It appears when key is at on position to show your bulb is not burned but should off when engine start.

Key on position

Engine start

[Ripper]

Generally, its in the same housing as the filter isn't it? At least on pre-2000 diesels with a manual hand pump on top? Anyway thanks for the heads up

ah my bad... what i've seen so far and have first hand experience with is diesels with separate water separators.

my fuel filter is in the engine bay and the water separator sits under the tank. and it's yom is 98.

[Sifaan]

yes I'm considering that now . just found he turned back meter about 70000km and guy was assistant bank manager @ Peoples bank.

just wondering... how did you find this out?

[k9master]

just wondering... how did you find this out?

Yes, I was puzzled too. Please enlighten us abiman...

[MkX]

I have checked voltage on ABS wire comes to meter panel and it shows over 12V when car key is at ON position and when engine is running. So in reality ABS bulb is ON when key is in ON position and when engine is running.

One of my friend had the same issue where ABS light coupled with some other light in his FB14. His ABS did not worked at all, however seller tricked him by the wiring change. He got to know about it when he was travel down a hill and rear ended another car by sliding after apply the break.

Also another guy met at the service station where his Hyundai Acsent's ABS light was removed. Get your wiring corrected and check the ABS system.

[leyland]

ah my bad... what i've seen so far and have first hand experience with is diesels with separate water separators.

my fuel filter is in the engine bay and the water separator sits under the tank. and it's yom is 98.

I've had experiences with Toyota 3L(Hiace), 2C(Townace) and Isuzu 4JB1(Trooper) engines where we've had to drain the water. All of them were in the engine bay integrated to filter housing. So I guess its more to do with make/model rather than yom.

Edited May 18, 2011 by leyland

[abiman]

just wondering... how did you find this out?

when I bought car it had 11xxxx km and now it has 16xxxx. When I took meter cluster out I saw scratch near number x7xxxx. this is not yet fully visible and when meter runs to 17xxxx this should be clear enough. I carefully looked at this once I found bridged wire. this gives me about 60000 km suspicion. previous owner had car for 3.5years and gave me a last ECO test certificate which had 10xxxx. The owner had used car 10 months with this ECO test certificate. Putting this together I think Odometer reversed about 70000km (from 17xxxx to 10xxxx) and he used car for about 10000 more km.

[Sifaan]

when I bought car it had 11xxxx km and now it has 16xxxx. When I took meter cluster out I saw scratch near number x7xxxx. this is not yet fully visible and when meter runs to 17xxxx this should be clear enough. I carefully looked at this once I found bridged wire. this gives me about 60000 km suspicion. previous owner had car for 3.5years and gave me a last ECO test certificate which had 10xxxx. The owner had used car 10 months with this ECO test certificate. Putting this together I think Odometer reversed about 70000km (from 17xxxx to 10xxxx) and he used car for about 10000 more km.

Interesting... if he had indeed tampered with the odo, he was "smart" enough to do it months before he sold the car

(or it might have been tampered before he bought the car)

and it seems that you've managed without ABS for 50,000 kms? if there is indeed a fault with the ABS, you've been lucky to not have an accident!

[nano31]

In simply a car with YOM 1997, odo of 110k is not possible n it should neraly be 150k !

My bro got CE110 1998 but odo is just ~80000km which could never be possible, we jolly well knew (before buying) it was fake but it was a really good car and he still uses it

[The Don]

Interesting... if he had indeed tampered with the odo, he was "smart" enough to do it months before he sold the car

(or it might have been tampered before he bought the car)

and it seems that you've managed without ABS for 50,000 kms? if there is indeed a fault with the ABS, you've been lucky to not have an accident!

I've had no ABS all my life (as in none of the car's I've owned to date has had ABS) and I'm still alive

[Reckless]

I've had no ABS all my life (as in none of the car's I've owned to date has had ABS) and I'm still alive

Yes machan, Im not saying that ABS is not important but as long as you drive safe you wont need to depend on ABS.

But when there is a malfunction in a ABS equipped car is there any risk to the braking system?

[abiman]

Hi,

To get this ABS repaired, I'm planning to go to a place in Baththaramulla named L*L ALAWA**TA.

Do you think this is good choice? (Price and Service quality)

(I'm also planning to replace Timing belt there.)

Thanks

[luckey007]

Guys, When comparing breaking distance curves of ABS and non-ABS modes (same vehicle) non-ABS vehicle stops in shorter distance.But the problem is handling/skidding issues are higher in non-ABS(Especially in adverse weather). So my personal belief is it's a BS if someone say ABS is essential(It's good/nice to have). There are lot of vehicles in SL roads without ABS , but we don't see much RTAs that we can say this could have been avoided if there were ABS.

[Shehan_WCC]

Yes machan, Im not saying that ABS is not important but as long as you drive safe you wont need to depend on ABS.

But when there is a malfunction in a ABS equipped car is there any risk to the braking system?

Nope the abs system is fail-safe .Its incorporated to the normal system.If the system malfunctions the normal brake circuit will start to function.

As for the stopping distance During hard braking ABS Does stop at a lower distance than the conventional system because once the wheels are locked the vehicle will skid and loss of directional stability.It modulates the brakes at the point where the wheels are going to lock,so there is enough and more brake.

[nano31]

If you have carefully look at a meter bord of CE110 1997, the ABS indicator should go off after few seconds just like the Glow indicator whereas the filter indicator only go off soon after the engine started.