Y Does Hybrid Vehicles Sells So Soon?

[MasterDon]

Yes. Absolutely correct..... Specially the thing about Top Gear viewers....

Prius is better than a Vitz or a Belta. And performance vice it is same slot with 121.

Hi guys, this is my first post so here goes!

I think a lot of the info on hybrids are taken out of context on misinterpreted here. There are Prius forums where some have claimed to have done in excess of 300,000miles (around 450,000km) without any problems with the battery.

Also the 1.5 litre engine is similar to that on the older Allions i suppose as i can't see Toyota designing a whole new engine for the Prius. The one thing i do know is that the Prius engine runs at its optimum power band through a CVT, thereby increasing its efficiency. Much like a scooter constantly at its power band i suppose.

About the luggage space etc the car is very good as we have been using one for the last few months and its been worth the money as it was a no brainer for us as it cost what a Vitz would these days. So a 5 seat saloon for the price of a compact.

Crash structures: the Prius is pretty good although i have no idea of what the NCAP ratings etc are. But its got 8 airbags which seems to be standard on cars built by Toyota in this era. And the papadam theory is correct. I guess with the speeds folks are doing these days, a papa dam car is the best choice!!! Give some space for those impact energies to go through.

If anyone is interested, i have the complete repair manual for Prius Gen 1, 2 and 3. So PM me if you ever need one. I also have the english user manuals plus pictures of stripped down Priuses in case you wanna know where and how any of the parts fit etc during a repair.

One more thing, hybrids are here to stay boys..........dont know about SL but every manufacturer out theres working like crazy to get the hybrids out and as soon as lithium battery prices come down sufficiently it'll all be electric!

Take it easy guys!

Can't you people read properly? or are you too busy smelling your own farts?

We don't care about the engine,NCAP and all that other crap you probably found via a Prius sale brochure...

What the members,well the senior guys atleast,have been saying all along is that our country is NOT YET ready for hybrids.We do not have the necessary means to repair them at normal costs if they develop a failure.Just ask the owners of half a dozen Prii rotting now at Toyota Lanka.It is in fact a huge risk...In a couple of years,maybe BUT NOT NOW YOU DUMBASSES!

[Supra_Natural]

Can't you people read properly? or are you too busy smelling your own farts?

We don't care about the engine,NCAP and all that other crap you probably found via a Prius sale brochure...

What the members,well the senior guys atleast,have been saying all along is that our country is NOT YET ready for hybrids.We do not have the necessary means to repair them at normal costs if they develop a failure.Just ask the owners of half a dozen Prii rotting now at Toyota Lanka.It is in fact a huge risk...In a couple of years,maybe BUT NOT NOW YOU DUMBASSES!

+ 1 Million... What is it about Hybrids that attract so many retards? Heck it makes me yearn for the old days of "141 or Allion is better?" threads because the sheer numbers of loonies were far less. Now they just seem to be everywhere!

[ferrarif50]

+ 1 Million... What is it about Hybrids that attract so many retards? Heck it makes me yearn for the old days of "141 or Allion is better?" threads because the sheer numbers of loonies were far less. Now they just seem to be everywhere!

i think most of the 141, allion guys sold them and got them priusessss...

[MIBSriLanka]

The compression ratio of the Engine is high compared to 1NZ-FEs and 2ZR-FEs (121, Vios, Belta, Allion, Premio engines). I believe higher Octane fuel will be required. Given that 10:1 1NZ-FEs and 2ZR-FEs need RON 91 and above. Prius will need anything more than RON 91. This is no advantage or disadvantage point. It is the design of the vehicle.

Is RON 90 = to 90 petrol and Is RON 95 = to 95 petrol..? Just asking as i don't know the connection

[Crosswind]

Is RON 90 = to 90 petrol and Is RON 95 = to 95 petrol..? Just asking as i don't know the connection

yes

[--GeNeX--]

What the members,well the senior guys atleast,have been saying all along is that our country is NOT YET ready for hybrids.We do not have the necessary means to repair them at normal costs if they develop a failure.Just ask the owners of half a dozen Prii rotting now at Toyota Lanka.It is in fact a huge risk...In a couple of years,maybe BUT NOT NOW YOU DUMBASSES!

This is silly. You probably put the same argument when automatics were becoming popular and now drive an automatic if you commute in the vehicle everyday (which you paid a premium for). A lot of people got bargains when they bought there vehicles a few months back. (i.e. 1 million less today going prices)

Besides, I think Arabian motors have got down equipment toyota lanka has yet not. Probably more to follow in the coming weeks. If you wait a couple or years, hybrid prices will shoot past gasoline vehicle prices making them not such a bargain!

Regards.

[Pericles]

This is silly. You probably put the same argument when automatics were becoming popular and now drive an automatic if you commute in the vehicle everyday (which you paid a premium for). A lot of people got bargains when they bought there vehicles a few months back. (i.e. 1 million less today going prices)

Besides, I think Arabian motors have got down equipment toyota lanka has yet not. Probably more to follow in the coming weeks. If you wait a couple or years, hybrid prices will shoot past gasoline vehicle prices making them not such a bargain!

Regards.

Considering MD uses a Del Sol and plays around with classics, I doubt he is a fan of automatics. I'm not either.

Also two things you need to remember.

1. Equipment isn't everything. MagCity has a bunch of advanced equipment too, but they have a bad rep at AL. They need to develop expertise.

2. You have included a lot of speculation as if its a fact. "Probably" is something you have no knowledge of. What might happen in a couple of years is something you don't know. The govt might have another "green" idea and raise taxes on non-hybrids. The market might be saturated with hybrids so no-one will pay a lot for a second hand one. Que Sera, Sera. Future cannot be predicted.

[Nirosha]

just wonder how did hibrid owners faced the petrol problem?

[MasterDon]

This is silly. You probably put the same argument when automatics were becoming popular and now drive an automatic if you commute in the vehicle everyday (which you paid a premium for). A lot of people got bargains when they bought there vehicles a few months back. (i.e. 1 million less today going prices)

Besides, I think Arabian motors have got down equipment toyota lanka has yet not. Probably more to follow in the coming weeks. If you wait a couple or years, hybrid prices will shoot past gasoline vehicle prices making them not such a bargain!

Regards.

Sorry no,I have 17 vehicles and none are automatics...but that's not the point is it?If at the time auto boxes were becoming popular and there were no ways to repair them at normal costs,we would give the same advice that we are giving right now regarding Hybrids...That is to WAIT...WAIT and see how the first batch of cars fare on our roads,WAIT untill the agents and third party garages are accustomed to handling their repairs,WAIT untill spares are a plenty,WAIT and see what the resale value would be like...Then I'd happily pay that extra 1 mil so for a car that is usable in SL rather than gamble with my money now.

[ShintaroX]

Sorry no,I have 17 vehicles and none are automatics...but that's not the point is it?If at the time auto boxes were becoming popular and there were no ways to repair them at normal costs,we would give the same advice that we are giving right now regarding Hybrids...That is to WAIT...WAIT and see how the first batch of cars fare on our roads,WAIT untill the agents and third party garages are accustomed to handling their repairs,WAIT untill spares are a plenty,WAIT and see what the resale value would be like...Then I'd happily pay that extra 1 mil so for a car that is usable in SL rather than gamble with my money now.

+1 (not abt 17 cars, abt waiting) absolutely correcto.

[Prius]

Sorry no,I have 17 vehicles and none are automatics...but that's not the point is it?If at the time auto boxes were becoming popular and there were no ways to repair them at normal costs,we would give the same advice that we are giving right now regarding Hybrids...That is to WAIT...WAIT and see how the first batch of cars fare on our roads,WAIT untill the agents and third party garages are accustomed to handling their repairs,WAIT untill spares are a plenty,WAIT and see what the resale value would be like...Then I'd happily pay that extra 1 mil so for a car that is usable in SL rather than gamble with my money now.

WAIT , WAIT , WAIT, how old are you? still waiting for the bride, are you waiting till others test for you? no wonder you are stuck to 17 "tested" "used"

For a frog in the well like you "hybrids" must be new, try reading there is a thing called "www.google.com" ask your pre-tested partner how to use, please use , hybrids are well tested and proved. and Toyota is changing to 100% hybrids only by 2020 as per their website.

good luck with your 17

[jdnet]

Ok I've just about had it with these f***ing retards. Listen you dyslexic hybrid fan boys, what masterdon said is correct and no matter how much you try to argue, at the end of the day, the man is right. Hybrids may be a good option for the future but it really isn't right now.

and what's this crap about special tools that arabian got down? do you retards even know what the tools are? the fact is that the tools for hybrids don't cost as much considering ewhat they charge retards like you. I got a box full of high voltage tools that I can use on hybrids sitting in my store room. The only special tool I have had to buy is the insulation tester. The other most important tool is a scanner which any major garage should have. What these special tools won't provide is experience and knowledge.

I really really really really miss the axio and allion fan boys right now. Atleast those dumbasses knew how to STFU when they were wrong. I think smelling your own farts must have damaged some of your brain cells.

Oh yeah and I'll be waiting for your predictable reply.

hybrid blah blah it's the future blah blah.

At the end of the day you sh** heads don't know anything about cars, yet are willing to argue people who know a lot more about cars and the sri lankan car market.

I'm just waiting till one of yuou mokeys decides to DIY a repair and winds up dead. I swear to god I'll be LMAO like I have in other cases where darwinism had kicked in.

Edited July 29, 2011 by jdnet

[MasterDon]

WAIT , WAIT , WAIT, how old are you?

25

still waiting for the bride,

No.Me too young to get married...But I am looking for a good time...is your mom or sister available?...how much?

are you waiting till others test for you?

No.No matter how they fare in the future,good or bad,I will not be buying one of the current crop of mainstream hybrids.They lack the performance,the handling and the looks that I require from a car.

you are stuck to 17 "tested" "used"

Yes mine are all used...but aren't all the post tax cut Hybrids in SL reconditioned?...or in your own words "used".

For a frog in the well like you "hybrids" must be new, try reading there is a thing called "www.google.com" ask your pre-tested partner how to use, please use , hybrids are well tested and proved. and Toyota is changing to 100% hybrids only by 2020 as per their website.

Atleast a frog like me understands the differance between "proven in america,japan,uk etc etc" and "proven in SL".And this frog doesn't rely on google or wikipedia or the toyota website for his survival.

good luck with your 17

Thank you.I do enjoy them very much.Actually its 18 now.Brought home another the day before...a 4.5 liter turbo diesel!

Edited July 29, 2011 by MasterDon

[--GeNeX--]

Considering MD uses a Del Sol and plays around with classics, I doubt he is a fan of automatics. I'm not either.

Also two things you need to remember.

1. Equipment isn't everything. MagCity has a bunch of advanced equipment too, but they have a bad rep at AL. They need to develop expertise.

2. You have included a lot of speculation as if its a fact. "Probably" is something you have no knowledge of. What might happen in a couple of years is something you don't know. The govt might have another "green" idea and raise taxes on non-hybrids. The market might be saturated with hybrids so no-one will pay a lot for a second hand one. Que Sera, Sera. Future cannot be predicted.

I am also not a fan of automatics, it was just a trend comparison.

Equipment is a necessary start. I don't know what equipment they have got for hybrids as I only saw it on the newspaper. I can only assume when they advertised full page it is something significant! Not just an engine and motor hoist!

You shouldn't be taking anything as fact if there are no valid references. In the end, most of our success depends on how well we judge what is to come!

[Pericles]

For a frog in the well like you "hybrids" must be new, try reading there is a thing called "www.google.com" ask your pre-tested partner how to use, please use , hybrids are well tested and proved. and Toyota is changing to 100% hybrids only by 2020 as per their website.

I hate to be the one to break it to you, sport, but 2020 is some ways off. Do you not understand "wait" doesn't mean "don't touch it, its a disaster"? Don clearly said, a couple of years in his estimate. Personally, I think it'll be more like the end of this year, but for NOW, the advise is WAIT. Wait and see.

If Toyota was so sure of their tech, they could go 100% hybrid right now, correct? But they are also waiting till 2020 to switch? They are also waiting and seeing how the market is.

And besides, its bloody marketing. Do you think if EV, hyrdogen cells, solar power or other means of alternate power (pocket nuclear reactor) becomes a reality, Toyota is gonna stick to this 100% gas-electric model? If you think so, I have this lovely bridge for sale, interested? I give you best price.

[Pericles]

You shouldn't be taking anything as fact if there are no valid references. In the end, most of our success depends on how well we judge what is to come!

Indeed. And if you judge wrong, you're stuck with a rather expensive tin can and no way to fix it.

Coz face it, people here don't have the experience to judge a good condition Prius, and what we are getting are used cars. There was a Premio recently advertised on the classifieds as "showroom condition". Used to belong to a chap at office. Was condemned after a collision with a f**king TRAIN! But someone is selling it saying showroom condition. How sure are you of your Prius and your ability to fix it now?

[--GeNeX--]

Sorry no,I have 17 vehicles and none are automatics...but that's not the point is it?If at the time auto boxes were becoming popular and there were no ways to repair them at normal costs,we would give the same advice that we are giving right now regarding Hybrids...That is to WAIT...WAIT and see how the first batch of cars fare on our roads,WAIT untill the agents and third party garages are accustomed to handling their repairs,WAIT untill spares are a plenty,WAIT and see what the resale value would be like...Then I'd happily pay that extra 1 mil so for a car that is usable in SL rather than gamble with my money now.

I agree with your wait theory IF the person buying doesn't have the time/knowledge/passion for hybrids. I personally felt it was a good choice and I was correct. If I sell my vehicle for going prices now I am up 1.5 million easy. If my engine falls away, along with the hybrid system, I can still replace it!

Hybrid repairs still cost more than regular repairs in foreign countries. I'm sure I don't have to tell you, latest tech will always be more expensive to maintain. In the end this is all a matter of opinion and what you require.

Out of context: Is your del sol silver and maybe 300- number? Also do you have an opinion on the d4d rav4 in sri lanka? Is the engine used in any other vehicles? I did a 5min google with no luck.

[The Don]

I am also not a fan of automatics, it was just a trend comparison.

Equipment is a necessary start. I don't know what equipment they have got for hybrids as I only saw it on the newspaper. I can only assume when they advertised full page it is something significant! Not just an engine and motor hoist!

You shouldn't be taking anything as fact if there are no valid references. In the end, most of our success depends on how well we judge what is to come!

GeneX, you do have a point.

But you need to put into perspective a few things. This forum has been in existence for about 6 years now and people have been sharing their experiences on here for all that time. These opinions are as such informed and reflective of what ACTUALLY happens.

So we have concluded on reflection that, not a single work shop is ready to handle Hybrids properly just yet. Having the tools is one thing but knowing how to use them is another and time and time after, we keep going back to our low tech trusty mechanics avoiding these big "fully equipped" garages as we've had such a lot of bad experiences with their work.

Also note, there is a reason why Toyota Lanka is still not ready to handle hybrids properly at their work shop. It is because it takes so much time to properly train their technicians on these new technologies. There is also a reason why the Prius is not directly imported to SL by the agent.

Nobody here is standing in the way of progress. We're all up for having a good discussion, and everybody is entitled to their own opinion.

We've had this discussion once before and you can search the forum to find out the facts presented in that discussion. And believe me, we have done our research, weighed the pros and cons and drawn certain conclusions. Now as the situation changes obviously these conclusions will change, but currently most of us are of the opinion that Sri Lanka are not ready for Hybrids and the first generation of users could end up in serious difficulties when their vehicles start developing problems.

Even in the UK, while the Honda and Toyota Hybrids rarely break down they remain one of the most expensive vehicles to fix (source Warranty Direct). At the moment early adopters in Europe, Americas are being protected by long warranties but people in our little island don't have that option.

You are correct, in time these problems will become less, but most people bought Hybrids because they were cheap (due to tax concessions) and you got a lot of car for the money, so by definition will be cost concious (not a user with 30 million for a vehicle). So if repair bills do mount they will be quite badly affected.

And you can't really compare this to automatics, because automatics have been widely used for a number of decades now, and they became popular not because they were cheap, but because in a congested city like Colombo they provided some relief to regular drivers !

Anyway like a lot of fellow forum members I am tired of having the same arguments over and over, and you guys are adults (though some have issues acting like ones) and can make up your own minds In the end it's not my money !

[--GeNeX--]

I hate to be the one to break it to you, sport, but 2020 is some ways off. Do you not understand "wait" doesn't mean "don't touch it, its a disaster"? Don clearly said, a couple of years in his estimate. Personally, I think it'll be more like the end of this year, but for NOW, the advise is WAIT. Wait and see.

If Toyota was so sure of their tech, they could go 100% hybrid right now, correct? But they are also waiting till 2020 to switch? They are also waiting and seeing how the market is.

And besides, its bloody marketing. Do you think if EV, hyrdogen cells, solar power or other means of alternate power (pocket nuclear reactor) becomes a reality, Toyota is gonna stick to this 100% gas-electric model? If you think so, I have this lovely bridge for sale, interested? I give you best price.

Hydrogen cells is the next step! My 2 pennies worth.

[The Don]

Hydrogen cells is the next step! My 2 pennies worth.

Or full electrics. The design of these will be a lot simpler than a Hybrid.

Edited July 29, 2011 by The Don

[--GeNeX--]

GeneX, you do have a point.

But you need to put into perspective a few things. This forum has been in existence for about 6 years now and people have been sharing their experiences on here for all that time. These opinions are as such informed and reflective of what ACTUALLY happens.

So we have concluded on reflection that, not a single work shop is ready to handle Hybrids properly just yet. Having the tools is one thing but knowing how to use them is another and time and time after, we keep going back to our low tech trusty mechanics avoiding these big "fully equipped" garages as we've had such a lot of bad experiences with their work.

Also note, there is a reason why Toyota Lanka is still not ready to handle hybrids properly at their work shop. It is because it takes so much time to properly train their technicians on these new technologies. There is also a reason why the Prius is not directly imported to SL by the agent.

Nobody here is standing in the way of progress. We're all up for having a good discussion, and everybody is entitled to their own opinion.

We've had this discussion once before and you can search the forum to find out the facts presented in that discussion. And believe me, we have done our research, weighed the pros and cons and drawn certain conclusions. Now as the situation changes obviously these conclusions will change, but currently most of us are of the opinion that Sri Lanka are not ready for Hybrids and the first generation of users could end up in serious difficulties when their vehicles start developing problems.

Even in the UK, while the Honda and Toyota Hybrids rarely break down they remain one of the most expensive vehicles to fix (source Warranty Direct). At the moment early adopters in Europe, Americas are being protected by long warranties but people in our little island don't have that option.

You are correct, in time these problems will become less, but most people bought Hybrids because they were cheap (due to tax concessions) and you got a lot of car for the money, so by definition will be cost concious (not a user with 30 million for a vehicle). So if repair bills do mount they will be quite badly affected.

And you can't really compare this to automatics, because automatics have been widely used for a number of decades now, and they became popular not because they were cheap, but because in a congested city like Colombo they provided some relief to regular drivers !

Anyway like a lot of fellow forum members I am tired of having the same arguments over and over, and you guys are adults (though some have issues acting like ones) and can make up your own minds In the end it's not my money !

You points are valid, although there is no argument! Just a discussion. I am not trying to push my ideas into peoples' heads. All advice should be taken with a grain of salt! If an old uncle comes and asks me if he should get a prius or allion, I will say allion. If a smart younger bloke who isn't a petrol head asks me, I will say prius.

I too am getting tired of this discussion! After all, I was only saying Arabian motors has supposedly brought down equipment to fix hybrids! If anyone has any experience with their new machinery please share!

The incompetency of local mechanics, may it be the baas or at the higher end place is rivalled to none. Bar a few idiots, everyone in SL who owns a vehicle already knows not to leave their car unattended and supervise the repair by some means!

[Ripper]

Ok I've just about had it with these f***ing retards. Listen you dyslexic hybrid fan boys, what masterdon said is correct and no matter how much you try to argue, at the end of the day, the man is right. Hybrids may be a good option for the future but it really isn't right now.

and what's this crap about special tools that arabian got down? do you retards even know what the tools are? the fact is that the tools for hybrids don't cost as much considering ewhat they charge retards like you. I got a box full of high voltage tools that I can use on hybrids sitting in my store room. The only special tool I have had to buy is the insulation tester. The other most important tool is a scanner which any major garage should have. What these special tools won't provide is experience and knowledge.

I really really really really miss the axio and allion fan boys right now. Atleast those dumbasses knew how to STFU when they were wrong. I think smelling your own farts must have damaged some of your brain cells.

Oh yeah and I'll be waiting for your predictable reply.

hybrid blah blah it's the future blah blah.

At the end of the day you sh** heads don't know anything about cars, yet are willing to argue people who know a lot more about cars and the sri lankan car market.

I'm just waiting till one of yuou mokeys decides to DIY a repair and winds up dead. I swear to god I'll be LMAO like I have in other cases where darwinism had kicked in.

well arabian motors doesn't do a great job in servicing regular cars so i can only imagine what they will do with a hybrid system

[--GeNeX--]

Indeed. And if you judge wrong, you're stuck with a rather expensive tin can and no way to fix it.

Coz face it, people here don't have the experience to judge a good condition Prius, and what we are getting are used cars. There was a Premio recently advertised on the classifieds as "showroom condition". Used to belong to a chap at office. Was condemned after a collision with a f**king TRAIN! But someone is selling it saying showroom condition. How sure are you of your Prius and your ability to fix it now?

hahaha, I have also seen vehicles written off abroad, repaired and exported to SL.

I am quite sure of my prius as I selected it. I am keen on latest hybrid tech and can very definitely supervise a repair if they have the equipment. I will let the forum know if I get electrocuted as someone posted he wants a laugh. For that persons info, one safety pin isolates the battery pack.

[jdnet]

hahaha, I have also seen vehicles written off abroad, repaired and exported to SL.

I am quite sure of my prius as I selected it. I am keen on latest hybrid tech and can very definitely supervise a repair if they have the equipment. I will let the forum know if I get electrocuted as someone posted he wants a laugh. For that persons info, one safety pin isolates the battery pack.

If you get electrocuted and die, you won't be able to post on this forum. See how our hybrid boys lack common sense?

BTW you don't need to tell me what the "service plug" is. I bet you couldn't tell me the location of it without google.

[jdnet]

well arabian motors doesn't do a great job in servicing regular cars so i can only imagine what they will do with a hybrid system

but machan, they have "special hybrid equipment" ne? so they should be doing an excellent job.