New toyota yaris ATIV

KB Herath · July 13, 2019

Please give me pros & cons if I choosing to buy new Toyota yaris ativ 1.2 for my permit?

vag2 · July 14, 2019

yaris is not JDM, probably European version. Parts availability may be an issue( or people will think so), 2 nd hand market will be less.

Twin Turbo · July 14, 2019

BY permit you mean Duty free to SL?

The manufacturer has different names and specs of the same car for different markets it is sold to.

the local dealer of this car will bring a model with the approved speck/branding for this market.

Agree with vag2 as it is the model destined for the EU.

JDM models can be got with a 3 cyl engine.

iRage · July 15, 2019

What @vag2 and @Twin Turbo said is somewhat inaccurate

1. With the new generation Vitz, etc....even the JDM models will be called Yaris. So where the familiar Vitz is concerned it is not going to be called Vitz in Japan whilst the global model will call it Yaris; from the next model on-wards the whole world will call it Yaris. The exception are the S.E.A markets where the Yaris will be just a hatchback version of the "Yaris Ativ" (previous generation was a hatchback of the Vios with a different front-end see pic 1)

2. The Yaris Ativ is....well...For starters it is not destined for Europe. It hasn't been marketed in Europe so far because it does not meet the safety and eco reg requirements just like the VIOS/Belta stopped being so in Japan a long time ago. For the same price point and market segment these mature/developed markets have far better models that fair a lot better than the VIOS/Ativ.

The Yaris Ativ is merely the Vios (sedan..see Pic 2) which we all know; with what Toyota calls a major facelift (pseudo platform upgrade). In some markets it was re-branded as the Yaris Ativ for a new lease of life to a dying horse and in some markets its still called Vios. So the Yaris Ativ is still the old Vios and is still based on the P150 platform (see pic 2). The vehicle comes with the same old 1.2 and 1.5 engine variants with some tweaking to meet better eco standards and fuel efficiency with some structural improvements and safety add-ons (in some models). Granted there are some suspension improvements and the interior has been improved.

Most people think it is a new car and sales people sell it as a new replacement model to the old Vios because of the drastic difference. But it is just a facelift on the old Vios.

Mechanically you will be safe and sound in finding replacement parts as it shares the old major components with the old model and a whole host of other popular Toyota models.

Your issue will be body parts...since it is not a JDM model you will not find body parts at the usual Japanese body parts shops and you will be, for the most part be, at the mercy of the agents to find replacement parts. Alternatively, you will have to find a place that brings down parts from Thailand/Malaysia/Singapore/etc... But that has always been the case with quite a lot of brand new models like the Corolla 141, etc...People have managed with these models for quite a long time. This should NOT be a deal breaker.

As for the car....well....over here in Vietnam the VIOS is a popular taxi car and most of the old model has been replaced with the newer one. For the most part riding in it feels more refined than the old one and the interior feels less plasticy and well appointed. Granted it does not have the detailed touches of a Japanese market model but is pretty close. The Airport taxi guy I take has been using one for the last year or so and last time I checked (1.5 months ago) the guy had put nearly 90K kms and the car was still in pretty good shape and he had NOT done any major repairs except for the usual pre-emptive services (which he has to do at Toyota for the warranty to be valid) and things like brake pad replacements and a new pair of shocks (cmon...90K in one year is a LOT).

So...its not a bad car and a pretty decent new lease on an old car. Now...can you find better alternatives ? Well...how much is this thing ?

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kush · July 15, 2019

Not many Jap brands with 1.2 L engines only JDMs i can think of is CHR, Corolla Sport

Thailand / Indonesia manufactured Toyota cars are not necessarily bad however lack the trim quality and safety features of their JDM counterparts. Eg. Belta/ Yaris (i believe they were both manufactured in Thailand)

iRage · July 15, 2019

On 7/15/2019 at 3:21 AM, kush said:

Not many Jap brands with 1.2 L engines only JDMs i can think of is CHR, Corolla Sport

Thailand / Indonesia manufactured Toyota cars are not necessarily bad however lack the trim quality and safety features of their JDM counterparts. Eg. Belta/ Yaris (i believe they were both manufactured in Thailand)

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1. No ! It is NOT the same engine as the Corolla Sport or CHR ! The 1.2 engine in the Yaris Ativ is the NA 3NR-FE engine....CHR and Corolla sport comes with the Turbo Charged 8NR-FTS.

About the quality difference....no..thing of the past. Since the mid to late 2000s the build quality is on par with those manufactured in Japan and other regions. The main difference is because of market requirements they use different types of materials and different features to fit the budget. Yes..the Belta/Vios/Yaris sedans were made in Thailand (Indonesia, Vietnam and Phillipines are also in that list). So when people say the Thai built vehicles are bad, etc.. they are still stuck in the days of the Kijang and Soluna. Same applies for other manufacturers too...our morons were happily buying Fit Arias thinking it was made in Japan. Same with the first releases of the Honda Grace :). Refinement wise....the Ativ has improved a lot with more soft touch surfaces, etc...but granted..there are also more stripped down variants with hard plastics and surfaces.

In this day and age there is no mass produced car that you can call Made in AAAAA country. At the end of the day...multiple components come from multiple places...

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kush · July 15, 2019

On 7/15/2019 at 4:31 AM, iRage said:

1. No ! It is NOT the same engine as the Corolla Sport or CHR ! The 1.2 engine in the Yaris Ativ is the NA 3NR-FE engine....CHR and Corolla sport comes with the Turbo Charged 8NR-FTS.

About the quality difference....no..thing of the past. Since the mid to late 2000s the build quality is on par with those manufactured in Japan and other regions. The main difference is because of market requirements they use different types of materials and different features to fit the budget. Yes..the Belta/Vios/Yaris sedans were made in Thailand (Indonesia, Vietnam and Phillipines are also in that list). So when people say the Thai built vehicles are bad, etc.. they are still stuck in the days of the Kijang and Soluna. Same applies for other manufacturers too...our morons were happily buying Fit Arias thinking it was made in Japan. Same with the first releases of the Honda Grace :). Refinement wise....the Ativ has improved a lot with more soft touch surfaces, etc...but granted..there are also more stripped down variants with hard plastics and surfaces.

In this day and age there is no mass produced car that you can call Made in AAAAA country. At the end of the day...multiple components come from multiple places...

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Agreed what i meant is they make cars for market requirements and regulations / taxation etc. South Asians prefer bigger engines where as in Europe they prefer smaller more powerful engines for better emissions as they are taxed on CO2, hence smaller Turbos are preferred. Japan is catching up on the trend too which is a good sign.

Even the so called JDM are manufactured somewhere or at least majority of the parts.

KB Herath · July 19, 2019

On 7/14/2019 at 7:25 AM, vag2 said:

yaris is not JDM, probably European version. Parts availability may be an issue( or people will think so), 2 nd hand market will be less.

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Thank you..

KB Herath · July 19, 2019

On 7/15/2019 at 1:55 AM, iRage said:

What @vag2 and @Twin Turbo said is somewhat inaccurate

1. With the new generation Vitz, etc....even the JDM models will be called Yaris. So where the familiar Vitz is concerned it is not going to be called Vitz in Japan whilst the global model will call it Yaris; from the next model on-wards the whole world will call it Yaris. The exception are the S.E.A markets where the Yaris will be just a hatchback version of the "Yaris Ativ" (previous generation was a hatchback of the Vios with a different front-end see pic 1)

2. The Yaris Ativ is....well...For starters it is not destined for Europe. It hasn't been marketed in Europe so far because it does not meet the safety and eco reg requirements just like the VIOS/Belta stopped being so in Japan a long time ago. For the same price point and market segment these mature/developed markets have far better models that fair a lot better than the VIOS/Ativ.

The Yaris Ativ is merely the Vios (sedan..see Pic 2) which we all know; with what Toyota calls a major facelift (pseudo platform upgrade). In some markets it was re-branded as the Yaris Ativ for a new lease of life to a dying horse and in some markets its still called Vios. So the Yaris Ativ is still the old Vios and is still based on the P150 platform (see pic 2). The vehicle comes with the same old 1.2 and 1.5 engine variants with some tweaking to meet better eco standards and fuel efficiency with some structural improvements and safety add-ons (in some models). Granted there are some suspension improvements and the interior has been improved.

Most people think it is a new car and sales people sell it as a new replacement model to the old Vios because of the drastic difference. But it is just a facelift on the old Vios.

Mechanically you will be safe and sound in finding replacement parts as it shares the old major components with the old model and a whole host of other popular Toyota models.

Your issue will be body parts...since it is not a JDM model you will not find body parts at the usual Japanese body parts shops and you will be, for the most part be, at the mercy of the agents to find replacement parts. Alternatively, you will have to find a place that brings down parts from Thailand/Malaysia/Singapore/etc... But that has always been the case with quite a lot of brand new models like the Corolla 141, etc...People have managed with these models for quite a long time. This should NOT be a deal breaker.

As for the car....well....over here in Vietnam the VIOS is a popular taxi car and most of the old model has been replaced with the newer one. For the most part riding in it feels more refined than the old one and the interior feels less plasticy and well appointed. Granted it does not have the detailed touches of a Japanese market model but is pretty close. The Airport taxi guy I take has been using one for the last year or so and last time I checked (1.5 months ago) the guy had put nearly 90K kms and the car was still in pretty good shape and he had NOT done any major repairs except for the usual pre-emptive services (which he has to do at Toyota for the warranty to be valid) and things like brake pad replacements and a new pair of shocks (cmon...90K in one year is a LOT).

So...its not a bad car and a pretty decent new lease on an old car. Now...can you find better alternatives ? Well...how much is this thing ?

Pic 1:

Pic 2 :

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KB Herath · July 19, 2019

On 7/15/2019 at 1:55 AM, iRage said:

What @vag2 and @Twin Turbo said is somewhat inaccurate

1. With the new generation Vitz, etc....even the JDM models will be called Yaris. So where the familiar Vitz is concerned it is not going to be called Vitz in Japan whilst the global model will call it Yaris; from the next model on-wards the whole world will call it Yaris. The exception are the S.E.A markets where the Yaris will be just a hatchback version of the "Yaris Ativ" (previous generation was a hatchback of the Vios with a different front-end see pic 1)

2. The Yaris Ativ is....well...For starters it is not destined for Europe. It hasn't been marketed in Europe so far because it does not meet the safety and eco reg requirements just like the VIOS/Belta stopped being so in Japan a long time ago. For the same price point and market segment these mature/developed markets have far better models that fair a lot better than the VIOS/Ativ.

The Yaris Ativ is merely the Vios (sedan..see Pic 2) which we all know; with what Toyota calls a major facelift (pseudo platform upgrade). In some markets it was re-branded as the Yaris Ativ for a new lease of life to a dying horse and in some markets its still called Vios. So the Yaris Ativ is still the old Vios and is still based on the P150 platform (see pic 2). The vehicle comes with the same old 1.2 and 1.5 engine variants with some tweaking to meet better eco standards and fuel efficiency with some structural improvements and safety add-ons (in some models). Granted there are some suspension improvements and the interior has been improved.

Most people think it is a new car and sales people sell it as a new replacement model to the old Vios because of the drastic difference. But it is just a facelift on the old Vios.

Mechanically you will be safe and sound in finding replacement parts as it shares the old major components with the old model and a whole host of other popular Toyota models.

Your issue will be body parts...since it is not a JDM model you will not find body parts at the usual Japanese body parts shops and you will be, for the most part be, at the mercy of the agents to find replacement parts. Alternatively, you will have to find a place that brings down parts from Thailand/Malaysia/Singapore/etc... But that has always been the case with quite a lot of brand new models like the Corolla 141, etc...People have managed with these models for quite a long time. This should NOT be a deal breaker.

As for the car....well....over here in Vietnam the VIOS is a popular taxi car and most of the old model has been replaced with the newer one. For the most part riding in it feels more refined than the old one and the interior feels less plasticy and well appointed. Granted it does not have the detailed touches of a Japanese market model but is pretty close. The Airport taxi guy I take has been using one for the last year or so and last time I checked (1.5 months ago) the guy had put nearly 90K kms and the car was still in pretty good shape and he had NOT done any major repairs except for the usual pre-emptive services (which he has to do at Toyota for the warranty to be valid) and things like brake pad replacements and a new pair of shocks (cmon...90K in one year is a LOT).

So...its not a bad car and a pretty decent new lease on an old car. Now...can you find better alternatives ? Well...how much is this thing ?

Pic 1:

Pic 2 :

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Thank you very much for your valuable description.

KB Herath · July 19, 2019

Thanks for everyone opinions. So what are the cars go for government tax concessionary permit. My budget is around 5m. Doesn't matter if it is JDM. The car should be a reliable one.

kush · July 19, 2019

CHR, Corolla Sport, JDM

Axio WXB, Honda Grace/FIT/Vezel hybrid /JDM

Nissan Qashqai, Mazda 3 brand new (if can stretch to Rs. 5.5)

iRage · July 19, 2019

If you want something fun...look at something like the Vitz/Aqua GR Sport or Vitz GR Sport GR....a certain doc who imports cars and does conversions sold one and at the time it was somewhere around your budget...but might be pricier now...but check...

KB Herath · July 20, 2019

On 7/19/2019 at 10:42 AM, kush said:

CHR, Corolla Sport, JDM

Axio WXB, Honda Grace/FIT/Vezel hybrid /JDM

Nissan Qashqai, Mazda 3 brand new (if can stretch to Rs. 5.5)

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Thank you . I'll try one of those.

KB Herath · July 20, 2019

On 7/19/2019 at 11:23 AM, iRage said:

If you want something fun...look at something like the Vitz/Aqua GR Sport or Vitz GR Sport GR....a certain doc who imports cars and does conversions sold one and at the time it was somewhere around your budget...but might be pricier now...but check...

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Thank you..