Mazda Axela Vs Toyota Corolla 121

[isurujosh]

The link as shown in the reply by Bugatti listed below states otherwise :

do you see what i see below? isn't the jdm 1.5L more powerful?

furthermore this article clearly mentions that 1.6L is less powerful than 1.5L due to stricter emission regulations.

Edited July 11, 2010 by isurujosh

[arunajn]

QUOTE (Killer-B @ Jul 10 2010, 04:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

There is nothing except for the depreciation fact really, but you can import a vehicle that is upto 10 years old, you pay less duty and taxes to srilankan customs (I am still trying to verify this fact) and the only car that I would like, if I am importing under normal import procedure is a corolla AXIO which seems to be beyond my budget and I really don't like the looks and performance of the BELTA/YARIS

I will be all set by august hopefully, wonder why you gave up the idea? It is not much of a hassle if you have the right people to help you with it

Killer-B,

Are you sure that they are (Custom) allowing 10 years old vehicle under GIFT PERMIT? As per one document which was in customs website (Now I couldn't find that, but last year it was there) They are allowing 10 Years for Blue Permit & 5 years for GIFT PERMIT. Pls double check....Also let us know if you could find.

[isurujosh]

Errrrrrrrrrrrrr............. nooooooooooo......... Carmart used to get down the Mazda3 with 1.6cc engine and that is a tad bit more powerful than the 1.5cc variant JDM. Have tried and tested my self.

care to share any source? my source was http://www.autozine.org/Archive/Mazda/old/Mazda3_Mk1.html in claiming that 1.5L is actually more powerful

[isurujosh]

The 2.0 L is low tech compared to the 1.5L? How come?

lack of VVT

And won't sticking a bigger engine in the same size car get your more Zoom in the Zoom-zoom-Zoom?

you definitely get more zoom-zoom i did not say that it doesn't but only cited caution on it's fuel efficiency.

[jami]

Killer-B,

Are you sure that they are (Custom) allowing 10 years old vehicle under GIFT PERMIT? As per one document which was in customs website (Now I couldn't find that, but last year it was there) They are allowing 10 Years for Blue Permit & 5 years for GIFT PERMIT. Pls double check....Also let us know if you could find.

some of information are here

http://www.imexport.gov.lk/services.htm

[Kavvz]

lack of VVT

you definitely get more zoom-zoom i did not say that it doesn't but only cited caution on it's fuel efficiency.

Ah I see. Fair enough.

[Bugatti]

care to share any source? my source was http://www.autozine.org/Archive/Mazda/old/Mazda3_Mk1.html in claiming that 1.5L is actually more powerful

Well, just that I have driven both, the Axela and 3... I felt the 3 had a bit more power....

[MasterDon]

axela FTW!

[isurujosh]

Well, just that I have driven both, the Axela and 3... I felt the 3 had a bit more power....

i think that subjective feeling was wrong. figures don't lie, especially in the same car.

[Supra_Natural]

i think that subjective feeling was wrong. figures don't lie, especially in the same car.

They do when you consider that the figures that are given for JDM cars are generally quoted for japanese petrol, which is higher octane than that found in europe (and elsewhere).

[isurujosh]

They do when you consider that the figures that are given for JDM cars are generally quoted for japanese petrol, which is higher octane than that found in europe (and elsewhere).

so you reckon that the quality of the fuel would compensate for 10hp (~10% of total horse power) and even give an edge to mazda3)? wow i should recommend my friend having an axela to pump 95 octane and simply get a 10hp boost!

i believe japanese usually reserve the best for them selves. axela 1.5L is definitely faster in my book than the mazda3 1.6L. i think we can agree to disagree.

Edited July 13, 2010 by isurujosh

[JAFF]

i have experienced the pulling power of the car slightly increases when u change from 90 octane to 95 octane.

i guess Mazda 3 comes here as brand new & reconditioned vehicles are known as axela(correct me if im wrong). so there maybe a weight difference in those 2 cars as in Corolla 121 brand new & reconditioned.

that may affect the pulling power of the car.(again correct me if im wrong)

[isurujosh]

i have experienced the pulling power of the car slightly increases when u change from 90 octane to 95 octane.

i guess Mazda 3 comes here as brand new & reconditioned vehicles are known as axela(correct me if im wrong). so there maybe a weight difference in those 2 cars as in Corolla 121 brand new & reconditioned.

that may affect the pulling power of the car.(again correct me if im wrong)

IMHO none of that could surpass the 10hp deficit to begin with. that's alot of HP in this compact econo cars class.

bdw yes axela is JDM and mazd3 is the export model.

Edited July 13, 2010 by isurujosh

[Pericles]

so you reckon that the quality of the fuel would compensate for 10hp (~10% of total horse power) and even give an edge to mazda3)? wow i should recommend my friend having an axela to pump 95 octane and simply get a 10hp boost!

i believe japanese usually reserve the best for them selves. axela 1.5L is definitely faster in my book than the mazda3 1.6L. i think we can agree to disagree.

The Japanese do have 100 octane Isuru. The drop in power when using low grade fuel on an engine designed for a higher grade could well be significant, even if putting higher grade fuel on an engine thats optimized for lower grade will not produce much improvement. Think about it.

[Ripper]

putting higher grade fuel on an engine thats optimized for lower grade will not produce much improvement.

being a die hard fan of the "placebo effect"...i still pump 95

don't think it has any improvement but you feel good pumping that extra 5 octane

[Supra_Natural]

being a die hard fan of the "placebo effect"...i still pump 95

don't think it has any improvement but you feel good pumping that extra 5 octane

Your sprinter is a JDM version right? in which case it probably was optimized for higher octane fuel

[isurujosh]

The Japanese do have 100 octane Isuru. The drop in power when using low grade fuel on an engine designed for a higher grade could well be significant, even if putting higher grade fuel on an engine thats optimized for lower grade will not produce much improvement. Think about it.

you seem to be trying to generalise my comment. whereas mine was specific to axela.

are you trying to tell here that axela's rating is with 100 octane? let me ask you a specific question and it may have a simple yes or no answer.

do you think that axela 1.5L (which is ~10hp up on paper) is less powerful in sri lankan roads than export model mazda3 1.6L?

i am not trying to establish any other theory here. so please do not try to generalise my comment.

[bart simpson]

you seem to be trying to generalise my comment. whereas mine was specific to axela.

are you trying to tell here that axela's rating is with 100 octane? let me ask you a specific question and it may have a simple yes or no answer.

do you think that axela 1.5L (which is ~10hp up on paper) is less powerful in sri lankan roads than export model mazda3 1.6L?

i am not trying to establish any other theory here. so please do not try to generalise my comment.

Hi Isuru... based on the specs posed by you the 3 has 5nm of torque more than the Axela. More torque does make the car 'feel' faster IMHO.

[Pericles]

you seem to be trying to generalise my comment. whereas mine was specific to axela.

are you trying to tell here that axela's rating is with 100 octane? let me ask you a specific question and it may have a simple yes or no answer.

do you think that axela 1.5L (which is ~10hp up on paper) is less powerful in sri lankan roads than export model mazda3 1.6L?

i am not trying to establish any other theory here. so please do not try to generalise my comment.

I'm not generalizing, I'm saying its possible.

The answer to your question is c. I have no idea. I don't have numbers or the experience with either car. But it is possible. Its possible its not, and its possible it is. No open or shut opinion here.

And Bart does have a good point on the torque.

[Bugatti]

I agree on th fuel issue... a slight variation in the octane rating has a significant/noticeable effect on the performance.

[isurujosh]

I agree on th fuel issue... a slight variation in the octane rating has a significant/noticeable effect on the performance.

there is no denying the statement, but do you reckon that an axela would be down ~10hp when it comes running in sri lanka?

[isurujosh]

Hi Isuru... based on the specs posed by you the 3 has 5nm of torque more than the Axela. More torque does make the car 'feel' faster IMHO.

i have the same line that tiff offered during a recent fifth gear episode... "we aint comparing trucks here mate." (just kidding)

on a more serious note i think that difference in torque cannot compensate for a deficit of even 5hp. but that is just my opinion. there is no point dragging this argument. everybody has spoken out on their facts.

[sklsaminda]

Friends.

I am just about to buy a car (looking for a second hand 121) & found this.

Toyota corolla NZE 121

XLi

HG - xxxxx

2003 brand new

engine & body 100%

First owner

All maintenance records available.

AC / PS / PW / ABS

No alloys, No air bags

But it's

Manual with small engine

Buy it or leave it? Any advise ? I am sure I wont have a second chance to buy that car again.

Thanks.

[harshansenadhir]

Friends.

I am just about to buy a car (looking for a second hand 121) & found this.

Toyota corolla NZE 121

XLi

HG - xxxxx

2003 brand new

engine & body 100%

First owner

All maintenance records available.

AC / PS / PW / ABS

No alloys, No air bags

But it's

Manual with small engine

Buy it or leave it? Any advise ? I am sure I wont have a second chance to buy that car again.

Thanks.

this is one of the very basic lower grade trim brand new imports through agents. There are pluses and minuses of this model. Pluses I see are late YOM and tropicalized interior and A/C, better ground clearance and stiff suspension to suit our road conditions and agent maintenance if that makes sense to you

minuses are non JDM / assembled elsewhere cheap interior material (compare both JDM and brand new import, you know what I mean) manual A/C control vs digital climate control you find in most JDM XLIs, 1.3 engine with manual gearbox means lesser resell-ability