Which One Is Better?2008 Toyota Allion 1500Cc Or 1800Cc

[ramee]

have a confuse about 2008 toyota allion, which one better,1500cc or 1800cc,toyota allion 1800cc digital meter lights are yellow why is that?

[heavyD]

1800cc has more power than 1500cc but will probably consume slightly more fuel.

And who cares what colour the digital meter lights are for crying out loud?

[toyota sucks]

I've used the 1500cc very underpowered hard to overtake

buy the 1800cc this might be a little more powerful

By the way go for a different vehicle my one had high fuel consumption only 10-12 1.5l

very low pulling power and had a defect with the smart key

had to sell it for much less than what cost me

[toyota sucks]

1800cc has more power than 1500cc but will probably consume slightly more fuel.

And who cares what colour the digital meter lights are for crying out loud?

don't tell that the idiots who buy allions only know colors

thats why they pay about 500k more for the color

so they r worried about the color of the speedo not how long it takes to go to 100

by the way can't measure from a stopwatch need a calander

[heavyD]

I've used the 1500cc very underpowered hard to overtake

buy the 1800cc this might be a little more powerful

By the way go for a different vehicle my one had high fuel consumption only 10-12 1.5l

very low pulling power and had a defect with the smart key

had to sell it for much less than what cost me

You call a fuel economy of 10-12 kmpl is high for a 1500cc car? What're you on? And just cause you got a yourself a defective unit doesn't mean all of them are bad, you moron.

Could you please go screw up some other forum now? Christ!

[Ruslan]

1800cc has more power than 1500cc but will probably consume slightly more fuel.

And who cares what colour the digital meter lights are for crying out loud?

Beg to differ, 1800cc should do more on fuel. cos the motor in 1800cc variant is Dual VVT-i 2ZR-FE (CAM Timing on both Intake and Exhaust, definitely better on juice). and 1500cc one is 1NZ-FE (old one which came with Vios and 121s). and Allion is a bit heavy car. when consider power to weight ratio, it should be better with 1800CC one. but tax bracket is bit higher than 1500CC one.

Edited January 1, 2011 by Ruslan

[heavyD]

Beg to differ, 1800cc should do more on fuel. cos the motor in 1800cc variant is Dual VVT-i 2ZR-FE (CAM Timing on both Intake and Exhaust, definitely better on juice). and 1500cc one is 1NZ-FE (old one which came with Vios and 121s). and Allion is a bit heavy car. when consider power to weight ratio, it should be better with 1800CC one. but tax bracket is bit higher than 1500CC one.

Ah ok, didn't know that info on the engine.

Is the Allion that heavy? It's just about 1000 - 1200 kg. That's almost the same as a Swift, IIRC.

[ramee]

don't tell that the idiots who buy allions only know colors

thats why they pay about 500k more for the color

so they r worried about the color of the speedo not how long it takes to go to 100

by the way can't measure from a stopwatch need a calander

hellooo i know everything, i want to know the resosns ok why are its yellow,mind your language

[Uditha88]

Is the Allion that heavy? It's just about 1000 - 1200 kg. That's almost the same as a Swift, IIRC.

My 1996 Nissan is 1050 Kg.

[Uditha88]

hellooo i know everything, i want to know the resosns ok why are its yellow,mind your language

Don't worry. They might wanted a change. Say distinguish 1500 from 1800.

[Change we Need]

Simple as it is....

[Ruslan]

Ah ok, didn't know that info on the engine.

Is the Allion that heavy? It's just about 1000 - 1200 kg. That's almost the same as a Swift, IIRC.

Well, that weight difference will be enough to make a change. it's the same story with Old Carina AT210s (Both 1500CC and 1800C) 1800CC would do better. and Swift is weight lower than a corolla.

http://specs.cars-directory.net/suzuki/swift/1.5_XS_34124.html

Edited January 2, 2011 by Ruslan

[nexus]

Well, that weight difference will be enough to make a change. it's the same story with Old Carina AT210s (Both 1500CC and 1800C) 1800CC would do better.

+1 story of carina in carina 1.8 got the best fuel mileage and good pulling power compared to 1.5. me thinks the same rule applies to allion been a bit heavy car.

[rockerz]

if i were you in the first place i would go for the Premio not the allion and yes 1800CC is better when considering the wight to power ration.....it seems the 1800CC gives a better fuel economy...moreover it seems the 1800CC ( 1.8 XL package in Premio and A18 G package in Allion) comes with more option such as automatic headlights and automatic wipers..

did any of you check out the 2000CC model?? its the highest grade in premio and allion...but unfortunately it has some issues with the sri lankan petrol.....it takes up more petrol than it does in Japan

[rockerz]

oh i forgot to mention that the price of these cars( premio/allion) have gone down due to the increase demand for hybrids

[isurujosh]

uninformed and uncultured mudalalis and their spoilt children buy 1500cc allion.

more informed mudalalis and their spoilt children buy 1800cc allion.

uninformed professionals with zero passion buy 1500cc premio.

uninformed professionals with little-bit-of passion buy 1800cc premio.

[isurujosh]

if i were you in the first place i would go for the Premio not the allion and yes 1800CC is better when considering the wight to power ration.....it seems the 1800CC gives a better fuel economy...moreover it seems the 1800CC ( 1.8 XL package in Premio and A18 G package in Allion) comes with more option such as automatic headlights and automatic wipers..

did any of you check out the 2000CC model?? its the highest grade in premio and allion...but unfortunately it has some issues with the sri lankan petrol.....it takes up more petrol than it does in Japan

i think 2000cc allion is superfluous. rest of the car cannot put power from that 2000cc effectively down to road. IMHO 1800cc strikes a good balance.

[isurujosh]

Beg to differ, 1800cc should do more on fuel. cos the motor in 1800cc variant is Dual VVT-i 2ZR-FE (CAM Timing on both Intake and Exhaust, definitely better on juice). and 1500cc one is 1NZ-FE (old one which came with Vios and 121s). and Allion is a bit heavy car. when consider power to weight ratio, it should be better with 1800CC one. but tax bracket is bit higher than 1500CC one.

three personal importers whom i contacted agreed to bring down 1800cc allion for the same money as 1500cc one.

[isurujosh]

Well, that weight difference will be enough to make a change. it's the same story with Old Carina AT210s (Both 1500CC and 1800C) 1800CC would do better.

+1 story of carina in carina 1.8 got the best fuel mileage and good pulling power compared to 1.5. me thinks the same rule applies to allion been a bit heavy car.

my closest friend had 1.5L carina with AT that returned 8kmpl in heavy traffic then he bought a YOM 2000 1.8L premio with AT returning the same figure. our 2000cc cefiro which is much heavier with AT returns 7.5kmpl in same conditions. as you can see smaller engines struggle to power older automatic transmissions, therefore sometimes the bigger the engines were more efficient than smaller ones. but nowdays the newer CVT boxes seem to negate this effect. therefore i think 1.5L allion is slightly (around .5 kmpl) more efficient than 1.8L one.

[Pericles]

if i were you in the first place i would go for the Premio not the allion and yes 1800CC is better when considering the wight to power ration.....it seems the 1800CC gives a better fuel economy...

If you want to give people, you have to first learn things properly. Its RATIO dammit, not ration. I'll overlook the misspelling on weight, but ration? I mean, really?

oh i forgot to mention that the price of these cars( premio/allion) have gone down due to the increase demand for hybrids

That is utter guesswork on your part. Don't try to present it as fact. Again, know what you speak of before trying to advise people.

my closest friend had 1.5L carina with AT that returned 8kmpl in heavy traffic then he bought a YOM 2000 1.8L premio with AT returning the same figure. our 2000cc cefiro which is much heavier with AT returns 7.5kmpl in same conditions. as you can see smaller engines struggle to power older automatic transmissions, therefore sometimes the bigger the engines were more efficient than smaller ones. but nowdays the newer CVT boxes seem to negate this effect. therefore i think 1.5L allion is slightly (around .5 kmpl) more efficient than 1.8L one.

What? You just picked three different cars from three different classes, probably three different YOMs, with different weights with auto tranny (god only knows the ratios in those boxes too), and you concluded that CVT boxes mean fuel efficiency? Utter and Complete Logic FAIL! Even if your final conclusion can be proven with a proper comparison, that is the worst justification for something I've ever seen! And I've seen people trying to justify Chinese vehicles saying they are reliable!

Also you just said "bigger the engines were more efficient than smaller ones" with older ATs. But your figures are

1.5 Carina = 8

1.8 Premio = 8

2.0 Cefiro = 7.5

Your figures don't really justify claiming "bigger the engines were more efficient than smaller ones" with older ATs.

[The Stig]

uninformed and uncultured mudalalis and their spoilt children buy 1500cc allion.

more informed mudalalis and their spoilt children buy 1800cc allion.

uninformed professionals with zero passion buy 1500cc premio.

uninformed professionals with little-bit-of passion buy 1800cc premio.

LOL +1

[nexus]

my closest friend had 1.5L carina with AT that returned 8kmpl in heavy traffic then he bought a YOM 2000 1.8L premio with AT returning the same figure. our 2000cc cefiro which is much heavier with AT returns 7.5kmpl in same conditions. as you can see smaller engines struggle to power older automatic transmissions, therefore sometimes the bigger the engines were more efficient than smaller ones. but nowdays the newer CVT boxes seem to negate this effect. therefore i think 1.5L allion is slightly (around .5 kmpl) more efficient than 1.8L one.

i dont know much about premios fuel figures. i have driven both carina 1.5 and 1.8 in similar conditions and 1.8 give me around 10kmpl when 1.5 give me around 8kmpl both cars are auto ones.

[jehan80]

uninformed and uncultured mudalalis and their spoilt children buy 1500cc allion.

more informed mudalalis and their spoilt children buy 1800cc allion.

uninformed professionals with zero passion buy 1500cc premio.

uninformed professionals with little-bit-of passion buy 1800cc premio.

LOL...dont't forget to include the 'morons' who buy axios

[isurujosh]

What? You just picked three different cars from three different classes, probably three different YOMs, with different weights with auto tranny (god only knows the ratios in those boxes too), and you concluded that CVT boxes mean fuel efficiency? Utter and Complete Logic FAIL! Even if your final conclusion can be proven with a proper comparison, that is the worst justification for something I've ever seen! And I've seen people trying to justify Chinese vehicles saying they are reliable!

Also you just said "bigger the engines were more efficient than smaller ones" with older ATs. But your figures are

1.5 Carina = 8

1.8 Premio = 8

2.0 Cefiro = 7.5

Your figures don't really justify claiming "bigger the engines were more efficient than smaller ones" with older ATs.

Do you understand that 1.8L Carina/Premio delivers more power and is marginally heavier than 1.5L car while consuming same amount of fuel? Therefore 1.8L car is “more efficient” by virtue of being able to deliver more power and carry more weight with same fuel consumption. Remember the science lesson you got when you were at school, more output with same input means “higher efficiency”.

YOM1997 Cefiro weighs 1340kg and YOM1997 1.8L Carina weighs 1150kg. 1 liter of petrol in 2.0L Cefiro carries 178kg of car, a liter of petrol in 1.8L Carina carries only 143kg of car, the same distance. Need I help you more to understand which is more efficient?

NOTE: All cars mentioned here have older auto boxes.

I have seen your behavior pattern in the past. You obviously can’t understand my English now, because my English is grammatically faulty right here. So you may conveniently raise the language issue and end this discussion.

[Pericles]

Do you understand that 1.8L Carina/Premio delivers more power and is marginally heavier than 1.5L car while consuming same amount of fuel? Therefore 1.8L car is “more efficient” by virtue of being able to deliver more power and carry more weight with same fuel consumption. Remember the science lesson you got when you were at school, more output with same input means “higher efficiency”.

YOM1997 Cefiro weighs 1340kg and YOM1997 1.8L Carina weighs 1150kg. 1 liter of petrol in 2.0L Cefiro carries 178kg of car, a liter of petrol in 1.8L Carina carries only 143kg of car, the same distance. Need I help you more to understand which is more efficient?

NOTE: All cars mentioned here have older auto boxes.

I have seen your behavior pattern in the past. You obviously can’t understand my English now, because my English is grammatically faulty right here. So you may conveniently raise the language issue and end this discussion.

Look, I dunno if you forgot your pills or summin, but your arguments will not make sense to anyone. And you obviously didn't do logic. You might have missed this

Even if your final conclusion can be proven with a proper comparison, that is the worst justification for something I've ever seen!

Read it a few times. I argued your logic, not your conclusion. I said Logic Fail. You should have tried coming up with your figures first instead of coming up with your insane comments.

So now, lets take a look at this one.

1.8L Carina/Premio delivers more power and is marginally heavier than 1.5L car while consuming same amount of fuel?

The Carina and Premio are two different cars. Since you refer to a 1997 for your figures, I'll assume its the 1997 Corona Premio. Wanna look up the weight difference between a 97 Corona Premio 1.8 and a 97 Carina 1.5?

1.8L engine delivers more power than 1.5 - Generally correct, at a given rev band, and overall.

1.8L engine weighs more than 1.5 - Can't be bothered looking it up, so we'll assume correct

1.8L delivers more power while consuming same fuel - Not necessarily. It might get the same mileage while consuming the same amount of fuel in stop start traffic as you don't need to rev as high to overcome inertia and get the car moving given the same weight. (Which is the argument to use instead of this logic fail you use.) This is not equal to more power while consuming the same amount of fuel. That would imply that given a flow of flow of 100ml per second (theory) from the injectors to both engines, the 1.8 would produce more power. Now I'm not gonna get all technical and calculate that that would mean xml per cylinder and which means so much air in the cylinder, which means xxpower is produced, mostly coz its pointless in the context of a mileage argument. But that is what you are saying.

So despite your science lessons in school, you've used the wrong argument. Again. The correct argument exists, of course, but you can't find it. Is this a language issue? logic issue? retard issue? you can figure out.

Wanna try the other?

a liter of petrol in 1.8L Carina carries only 143kg of car, the same distance.

Firstly, according to YOU a liter of petrol gets the heavier Cefiro a LESSER distance. Half a kilometer less. But lets examine this latest bit of fail.

I dunno what you thought the relationship was, but a liter of petrol in a 1.8l seems to carry 1150kg of car 8km and a liter of petrol in a 2.0l carries 1340kg of car 7.5kms. Your own numbers. So apparently, despite your science lessons, YOU need help understanding something. Taking random numbers and dividing them around don't really help your cause.

So how would you like to end the discussion?

[toyota sucks]

uninformed and uncultured mudalalis and their spoilt children buy 1500cc allion.

more informed mudalalis and their spoilt children buy 1800cc allion.

uninformed professionals with zero passion buy 1500cc premio.

uninformed professionals with little-bit-of passion buy 1800cc premio.

Yeh we see that very commonly,

the premio is not the completely mudalali-mobile as the allion