Adding 2T Oil To 4 Stroke Engine

[Thanushka]

Hi All,

This may sounds like crazy, but "What happens if we put 2T oil to a 4 stroke engine?". A friend of mine send me following link http://www.singaporebikes.com/forums/showthread.php/320565-Adding-little-2T-oil-into-fuel-tank-for-4-stroke-bike-and-feel-the-smoothness

They claim it improved their engine performance and fuel consumption.

What do you automotive experts think about this?

[terrabytetango]

Umbata pissu ban.

[Watchman]

I'm a member of that forum... and lets just say every forum no matter what country it's in has its share of dumb-asses.

[VVTi]

  On 3/21/2012 at 9:18 AM, Thanushka said:

Hi All,

This may sounds like crazy, but "What happens if we put 2T oil to a 4 stroke engine?". A friend of mine send me following link http://www.singapore...-the-smoothness

They claim it improved their engine performance and fuel consumption.

What do you automotive experts think about this?

Please tell us how it works for you. Record, and photograph every step of the way.

[Sylvi]

Members.

I got this from the web.

The science behind mixing 2T in petrol for 4 stroke car engines

When fuel enters combustion chamber it turns into vapors of various sizes, the smaller molecules burn first and bigger molecules ignites later on giving an uneven combustion of sorts.

2T Oils contain about 25% PolyIsoButylene (PIB), PIB changes the properties of fuel, resulting in uniformity of fuel molecules, hence total and uniform combustion.

Source: United States Patent: 5906665

Sylvi Wijesinghe.

[Watchman]

  On 3/21/2012 at 1:39 PM, Sylvi said:

Members.

I got this from the web.

The science behind mixing 2T in petrol for 4 stroke car engines

When fuel enters combustion chamber it turns into vapors of various sizes, the smaller molecules burn first and bigger molecules ignites later on giving an uneven combustion of sorts.

2T Oils contain about 25% PolyIsoButylene (PIB), PIB changes the properties of fuel, resulting in uniformity of fuel molecules, hence total and uniform combustion.

Source: United States Patent: 5906665

Sylvi Wijesinghe.

You say 2T contains 25% PIB that helps.. what about the remaining 75% that DOESNT help?

You just proved my point.

[Watchman]

Btw I also have another way of increasing performance... See the air inlet manifold is not always smooth and has rough parts in the tubing right.. so if you use something to make it smoother it can take more air and give more power. A friend suggested using sandpaper for it.. but since the tubing is narrow I couldn't reach the inside properly... so what I did was i got some very thin sea-sand and while the engine was running at about 4000rpm i put the sand into the air-intake.. the sand while going through the tubes cleans and smoothens it out and then comes out of the exhaust.. I noticed a big difference.. my xr200 is as powerful as a xr250 now in a drag race.. So that menas i got 50cc of extra power thats 25% MORE!!

[anjulau78]

  On 3/22/2012 at 2:07 AM, Watchman said:

You say 2T contains 25% PIB that helps.. what about the remaining 75% that DOESNT help?

You just proved my point.

Dude,

Could you explain why two strock engines use the 2T oil with petrol. are there any relation to what sylvy was saying?

[MeanGreenZ28]

in a two stroke engine, due to its design, the piston and the rods don't come in contact with oil like in a four stroke engine; where the bottom of the piston, piston walls and everything else is constanly showered with oil from the rotating crank and within the oil galleries. This lack of lubrication will destroy a two stroke engine pretty soon unless you add oil into the fuel to lubricate those parts ... hence 2T oil

[MeanGreenZ28]

to add to this subject ... I haven't tried it but I would see how it works. 2T oil has inherent detergents/etc. to keep it burning clean as possible while not fouling out plugs, leaving buildup and in the end provide excellent lubrication to the moving parts. I could see how this could help relieve some friction and keep the engines clean.

[anjulau78]

  On 3/22/2012 at 3:07 AM, MeanGreenZ28 said:

in a two stroke engine, due to its design, the piston and the rods don't come in contact with oil like in a four stroke engine; where the bottom of the piston, piston walls and everything else is constanly showered with oil from the rotating crank and within the oil galleries. This lack of lubrication will destroy a two stroke engine pretty soon unless you add oil into the fuel to lubricate those parts ... hence 2T oil

as the 2T oil is using inside the core, then the 2T Oil should be different from the standerd engine lubricating oil? If so, should it have some addactive, to burnt it easily with the fuel as well as lubricating the piston walls? otherwise it will deposit oil inside the core.

[VVTi]

  On 3/22/2012 at 3:10 AM, MeanGreenZ28 said:

to add to this subject ... I haven't tried it but I would see how it works. 2T oil has inherent detergents/etc. to keep it burning clean as possible while not fouling out plugs, leaving buildup and in the end provide excellent lubrication to the moving parts. I could see how this could help relieve some friction and keep the engines clean.

Well, I for one will not take chances. 2T/fuel ratios might have to be spot on or else you will ened up with a lot of unburned oil coarsing through the system. God know what will be the long term effects on the injectors, CAT and the lubricating oil. I think this is asking for trouble with sludge issues.

For a carb driven motorcycle, perhaps... but for a car with complex injection and fuel delivery systems?

[Kavvz]

  On 3/21/2012 at 1:08 PM, VVTi said:

Please tell us how it works for you. Record, and photograph every step of the way.

lol !!!

  On 3/21/2012 at 9:18 AM, Thanushka said:

Hi All,

This may sounds like crazy, but "What happens if we put 2T oil to a 4 stroke engine?". A friend of mine send me following link http://www.singapore...-the-smoothness

They claim it improved their engine performance and fuel consumption.

What do you automotive experts think about this?

I wouldn't recommend it, unless of course as 'VVTi' suggests you intend on providing some comic relief.

Edited March 22, 2012 by Kavvz

[Ripper]

  On 3/22/2012 at 2:11 AM, Watchman said:

Btw I also have another way of increasing performance... See the air inlet manifold is not always smooth and has rough parts in the tubing right.. so if you use something to make it smoother it can take more air and give more power. A friend suggested using sandpaper for it.. but since the tubing is narrow I couldn't reach the inside properly... so what I did was i got some very thin sea-sand and while the engine was running at about 4000rpm i put the sand into the air-intake.. the sand while going through the tubes cleans and smoothens it out and then comes out of the exhaust.. I noticed a big difference.. my xr200 is as powerful as a xr250 now in a drag race.. So that menas i got 50cc of extra power thats 25% MORE!!

Heh heh...good stuff

For the XR's... google "gordon's mods"

It involves dremelling/grinding out weld bits from the exhaust, opening up the air airbox intake a lot more and finally rejetting the carb.

I've done some of those to my xr. rejetted it after the race pipe and ground out the weld bits in the manifold using mold makers grinding bit attached to a electric drill.

Didn't notice a huge gain but felt more power at the top end. This is a proven mod when everything is done right.

[Thanushka]

  On 3/21/2012 at 1:08 PM, VVTi said:

Please tell us how it works for you. Record, and photograph every step of the way.

Well dude, I know it sounds like crazy, but after going through the comments I taught there might be something. That's why I asked about it.

[Sylvi]

Members,

There are plenty of positive reading materiel on this project adding 2t oil on to a petrol 4stroke engine.

I add acetone to petrol tank whenever I fill up the tank. I will try this 2 T oil immediately and let the forum know the result. After 200 KMs.

Sylvi Wijesinghe.

[Crosswind]

  On 3/22/2012 at 5:50 AM, Sylvi said:

Members,

There are plenty of positive reading materiel on this project adding 2t oil on to a petrol 4stroke engine.

I add acetone to petrol tank whenever I fill up the tank. I will try this 2 T oil immediately and let the forum know the result. After 200 KMs.

Sylvi Wijesinghe.

Mr. Wijesinghe,

Yes. Please do and let the forum know what happens. It would be better if you can take some photos of you with the maruti van 'before' and 'after' adding 2T.

and if you are planning to do any long runs during that 200km, may I suggest keeping a tool kit and an injector cleaning fluid handy?

Sincerely,

Crosswind

[Sylvi]

  On 3/22/2012 at 7:45 AM, Crosswind said:

Mr. Wijesinghe,

Yes. Please do and let the forum know what happens. It would be better if you can take some photos of you with the maruti van 'before' and 'after' adding 2T.

and if you are planning to do any long runs during that 200km, may I suggest keeping a tool kit and an injector cleaning fluid handy?

Sincerely,

Crosswind

Mr.'Crosswind',

Thank you very much for your advice, Already the vehicle had gone for a test drive full tank and recomended dose of 2T oil.

If any thing happens to my vehicle engine I know what to do for same it is my money I am experimenting with my money not with the expense of others.

I am 100 % sure nothing will happen to injectors or to the engine.

This forum is there to share the experience of members. if any member wants my advice I can help, if not it is left hem to decide.

Thanking you again.

Best Wishes.

Sylvi Wijesinghe.

[Sylvi]

Members,

Yesterdays was mixed running town and country. 60 Kilometers.

Only notisable difference was the temperature meter usually was showing less than the normal heating point it was early about 45% on the meter before 2T mixing close to center.

With 2 t correct dose mixed the temperature meter shows only about 39% of the meter reading.

Have to run some more kilometers until the fuel tank comes to about 10 % reading and give full report of 2T mixing to 4 stroke engine.

Sylvi Wijesinghe.

[Kavvz]

  On 3/22/2012 at 2:11 AM, Watchman said:

Btw I also have another way of increasing performance... See the air inlet manifold is not always smooth and has rough parts in the tubing right.. so if you use something to make it smoother it can take more air and give more power. A friend suggested using sandpaper for it.. but since the tubing is narrow I couldn't reach the inside properly... so what I did was i got some very thin sea-sand and while the engine was running at about 4000rpm i put the sand into the air-intake.. the sand while going through the tubes cleans and smoothens it out and then comes out of the exhaust.. I noticed a big difference.. my xr200 is as powerful as a xr250 now in a drag race.. So that menas i got 50cc of extra power thats 25% MORE!!

Another version:

Hey guys, I've got a 98 1.8T. I've had a k04 and chip for a while and wanted to get more performance. I was recommended to port and polish the intake and exhaust. We found out they used abrasive material to do it like gritty sand. So I got with my friend that tunes Hondas and we decided to try it ourselves. We got a bag of sandblasting sand and hooked up into the intake and started the car. We had to hold the gas so it would run. He wanted to let the engine suck in the sand through the intake so it would port it out and then push it out the ehxaust so it would port the exhaust manifold.

I was worried that it might cause problems but he figured it'd be OK as long as we didn't make boost and it get sucked in the turbo. After running the car and letting it suck in sand we got about half way through a 25 lb bag. The check engine light was on and the engine was bucking and kicking and sounding really weird. We stopped and hooked the car back up normal and took off the sand supply. We tried to start it again and it was really hard. Once started it couldn't idle and kept making weird noises. We took it out and drove it and it started to make scraping and knocking noises.

Help! Can anyone tell me what to do! My buddy only does Hondas so he doesn't know much about Audis.

source

Edited March 23, 2012 by Kavvz

[VVTi]

I was googling a bit on this topic and I have come to the conclusion that the 2T gimmick is done mainly by our Indian car 'enthusiasts'. Many other motoring forums scoffs at the idea and is a big NO.

Apparently it does wonders to Maruti Alto, Bulto and other Indian cars... go figure.

[Watchman]

  On 3/23/2012 at 3:30 AM, Kavvz said:

Another version:

Hey guys, I've got a 98 1.8T. I've had a k04 and chip for a while and wanted to get more performance. I was recommended to port and polish the intake and exhaust. We found out they used abrasive material to do it like gritty sand. So I got with my friend that tunes Hondas and we decided to try it ourselves. We got a bag of sandblasting sand and hooked up into the intake and started the car. We had to hold the gas so it would run. He wanted to let the engine suck in the sand through the intake so it would port it out and then push it out the ehxaust so it would port the exhaust manifold....

yeah dude.. thats a very popular story... kinda the benchmark or ambassadorial story for all such dumbass experiments.

Even in this story technically yes, smoother pipes mean better exhaust flow.... but putting sand in your intake is not how you do it. Just like thinking that because there's a one helpful chemical you should not consider the rest of the BAD chemicals.

[VVTi]

Well Watchman, I have heard of a makabaas somewhere in Battaramulla who uses Kerosene to 'flush' engines...

The story is he pours a bit of kerosene in to the crankcase and starts the car up for a few seconds, to 'wash' the gunk inside...

No No, its not Alawatte...

[Kavvz]

  On 3/22/2012 at 5:50 AM, Sylvi said:

I add acetone to petrol tank whenever I fill up the tank.

Sylvi Wijesinghe.

How come?

[terrabytetango]

  On 3/23/2012 at 4:42 AM, Kavvz said:

How come?

Cheap octane booster.