Why Vezel Is Bad?

[sasika]

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Oh you little kid...it doesn't necessarily mean you can stay ahead ! and when under load (eg...full of cargo + passengers, climbing hill) that acceleration you alk about is going to be no where around, especially if the battery is drained out. I guess with what you are saying we can expect to see this year's drags being wiped out by Hybrids . I don't know what you mean by better is better. A Maruti Alto is better on fuel does that mean it is better ?<br />

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There are plenty of JDM cars with 150hp or more. I am just going to give you the benefit of the doubt and presume you meant 1500cc pure gasoline 150hp cars. There was a time where Japanese manufacturers had "spirited" versions of their everyday cars which easily exceeded 150hp with engines with average displacements. However, that changed year 2000 or so onwards where I guess they presumed such versions were not needed.<br />

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It is NOT always about HP !!! For example take your own little Weasel. A Hybrid AWD Weasel is roughly 1360 kg / 150 HP whilst a gasoline AWD Weasel is 1270 kg / 131HP. Now do some roughly/crude "sitting at a cafe' using a paper napkin" type calculation of the power to weight ratios of the two cars and compare . Do you see much difference ? Now take a gasoline Axio which roughly weighs around 1100kg with 108 HP. Now do rough calculation of the ratio. Do you see that much of a drastic change ? Do you see that you don't need a whole lot of HP to achieve the same or close outcome ? <There are other factors as to why their performance would different even if the P:W ratios are close or even better...><br />

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Yes I'm referring to 1.5litre engines. And still I don't get u. Am I trying to say the vezel is the best? No. I'm trying to see why u guys are bashing it. I was once a hybrid hater as well. Hated to see Prius going slowly blocking all the road and creating trains behind. But when the

Vezel came out I loved the design, went for a test drive and bought it. If it is in par or better in performance compared to normal cars, why the bashing? Due to bad drivers? Maybe yes. And learnt that people don't like to change. I guess if I posted the thread slightly different than how I did, the whole response may have been different. What to do. It's Sri Lanka

Edit:- please provide a valid point to my initial question. Why you bash it and such thanks..

Edited February 19, 2015 by sasika

[iRage]

Well, these are baseless. I own vezel, and i dont want it to market. people who like it will buy, others will kept out. it's not struggling @ 80KMpH at any time? I've driven it in hill country's , overtook any vehicle without any sort of issue. you dont need to depend on sport mode if you know how to drive. may be people who cant drive or who is conscious about fuel economy struggling in the road. it's not a surprise that any car can accelerate. i've driven 990cc charade , 800cc Maruti also in high speeds, it's your driving style. but drive with passion is different. all those are hatred stories.

Well you saying "baseless" by itself is baseless. I have test driven 3 Vezels and no they are not the Sri Lankan type test drives. I mean actual take the car out with you test drives which usually lasts half a day (which is why I personally would stay away from buying test drive vehicles and rental vehicles at Japanese auctions. They are taken care of but see a lot of abuse). hving driven hem on hilly roads wih varying inclines with a full car; it was out of breath just like any other 1500cc car.I am not talking about "driving with passion". It would have suffocated a lot sooner than an average 1500cc car if it wasn't for the motor. It was quite evident when you slow down to take a bend on an incline and need to pull away. Sure you will reach about 40 kmph...eventually. But then again, the Vezel was not supposed to be a fast car. There is nothing special about it. It is just a fit with a bigger body with the disadvantages of having a bigger body. Which is just fine for 98% of the people out there. Like you said...even 990cc Charades and 660cc Suzuki Every vans move around

[sasika]

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Well, these are baseless. I own vezel, and i dont want it to market. people who like it will buy, others will kept out. it's not struggling @ 80KMpH at any time? I've driven it in hill country's , overtook any vehicle without any sort of issue. you dont need to depend on sport mode if you know how to drive. may be people who cant drive or who is conscious about fuel economy struggling in the road. it's not a surprise that any car can accelerate. i've driven 990cc charade , 800cc Maruti also in high speeds, it's your driving style. but drive with passion is different. all those are hatred stories. </p></blockquote>

Exactly machan. Hatred is the problem

[matroska]

Well, these are baseless. I own vezel, and i dont want it to market. people who like it will buy, others will kept out. it's not struggling @ 80KMpH at any time? I've driven it in hill country's , overtook any vehicle without any sort of issue. you dont need to depend on sport mode if you know how to drive. may be people who cant drive or who is conscious about fuel economy struggling in the road. it's not a surprise that any car can accelerate. i've driven 990cc charade , 800cc Maruti also in high speeds, it's your driving style. but drive with passion is different. all those are hatred stories.

eh?

[sasika]

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Well you saying "baseless" by itself is baseless. I have test driven 3 Vezels and no they are not the Sri Lankan type test drives. I mean actual take the car out with you test drives which usually lasts half a day (which is why I personally would stay away from buying test drive vehicles and rental vehicles at Japanese auctions. They are taken care of but see a lot of abuse). hving driven hem on hilly roads wih varying inclines with a full car; it was out of breath just like any other 1500cc car.I am not talking about "driving with passion". It would have suffocated a lot sooner than an average 1500cc car if it wasn't for the motor. It was quite evident when you slow down to take a bend on an incline and need to pull away. Sure you will reach about 40 kmph...eventually. But then again, the Vezel was not supposed to be a fast car. There is nothing special about it. It is just a fit with a bigger body with the disadvantages of having a bigger body. Which is just fine for 98% of the people out there. Like you said...even 990cc Charades and 660cc Suzuki Every vans move around </p></blockquote>

So machan why so much hatred and bashing? You said "if isn't for the motor" well that's the whole point isn't jt? I don't care for the economy to be honest. Simply said, out of JDMs I owned, this car can overtake a vehicle with ease. Throttle response is better. Don't you agree? I didn't talk about drag racing with it. U did.

Edited February 19, 2015 by sasika

[iRage]

Yes I'm referring to 1.5litre engines. And still I don't get u. Am I trying to say the vezel is the best? No. I'm trying to see why u guys are bashing it. I was once a hybrid hater as well. Hated to see Prius going slowly blocking all the road and creating trains behind. But when the

Vezel came out I loved the design, went for a test drive and bought it. If it is in par or better in performance compared to normal cars, why the bashing? Due to bad drivers? Maybe yes. And learnt that people don't like to change. I guess if I posted the thread slightly different than how I did, the whole response may have been different. What to do. It's Sri Lanka

Edit:- please provide a valid point to my initial question. Why you bash it and such thanks..

BOLD FACE 1: I give up !

BOLD FACE 2: Dude ! Are you THAT dense up there ? DUDE ! If you look at 90% of the posts they indicate there is nothing wrong with the Vezel except the people who use them ! It is just like ANY car of its size (engine wise) !!!! Nothing special about it...nothing disastrous about about it ! Only down side I (and some others stated) ws for its size it is under-powered when under load !!! You driving a Vezel is just like anyone driving a freaking Axio, Civic or any other car !

[iRage]

So machan why so much hatred and bashing? You said "if isn't for the motor" well that's the whole point isn't jt? I don't care for the economy to be honest. Simply said, out of JDMs I owned, this car can overtake a vehicle with ease. Throttle response is better. Don't you agree? I didn't talk about drag racing with it. U did.

I should have elaborated more in that case...2 were Hybrids and 1 was gasoline. The gasoline didn't do worst than that (which means it was as same as the Hybrid) ! Which goes to what others have been saying....the extra weight negates to a high degree any addition of power from the e-motor. You have to understand Hybrids like the Vezel, Prius etc are not necessarily designed and configured to "ADD" more power but to reduce the load on the ICE and compensate for it. So in most cases at the end of the day you get similar road performance from both the gasoline and hybrid variants of the same car, with the exception that the Hybrid would get a few more kmpl.

I don't know about what cars you have driven but the throttle response was the same as or was worst compared to what I have owned and driven.

I give up....talking to you (and Vezel/Hybrid owners in general) is just like talking to the following --.

Edited February 19, 2015 by iRage

[sasika]

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BOLD FACE 1: I give up !<br />

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BOLD FACE 2: Dude ! Are you THAT dense up there ? DUDE ! If you look at 90% of the posts they indicate there is nothing wrong with the Vezel except the people who use them ! It is just like ANY car of its size (engine wise) !!!! Nothing special about it...nothing disastrous about about it ! Only down side I (and some others stated) ws for its size it is under-powered when under load !!! You driving a Vezel is just like anyone driving a freaking Axio, Civic or any other car ! </p></blockquote>

Did I say no? I asked why you bash the car for the driver in it..

[sasika]

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I should have elaborated more in that case...2 were Hybrids and 1 was gasoline. The gasoline didn't do worst than that (which means it was as same as the Hybrid) ! Which goes to what others have been saying....the extra weight negates to a high degree any addition of power from the e-motor. You have to understand Hybrids like the Vezel, Prius etc are not necessarily designed and configured to "ADD" more power but to reduce the load on the ICE and compensate for it. So in most cases at the end of the day you get similar road performance from both the gasoline and hybrid variants of the same car, with the exception that the Hybrid would get a few more kmpl.<br /><br />

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I don't know about what cars you have driven but the throttle response was the same as or was worst compared to what I have owned and driven.<br /><br />

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I give up....talking to you (and Vezel/Hybrid owners in general) is just like talking to the following --.<br /><br />

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Have you had the Eco mode on? That reduces throttle response and acceleration.

Edited February 19, 2015 by sasika

[pug306xsi]

Osaka_dude all over again

[sasika]

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BOLD FACE 1: I give up !<br />

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BOLD FACE 2: Dude ! Are you THAT dense up there ? DUDE ! If you look at 90% of the posts they indicate there is nothing wrong with the Vezel except the people who use them ! It is just like ANY car of its size (engine wise) !!!! Nothing special about it...nothing disastrous about about it ! Only down side I (and some others stated) ws for its size it is under-powered when under load !!! You driving a Vezel is just like anyone driving a freaking Axio, Civic or any other car ! </p></blockquote>

Edited February 19, 2015 by sasika

[overTuned]

Well, these are baseless. I own vezel, and i dont want it to market. people who like it will buy, others will kept out. it's not struggling @ 80KMpH at any time? I've driven it in hill country's , overtook any vehicle without any sort of issue. you dont need to depend on sport mode if you know how to drive. may be people who cant drive or who is conscious about fuel economy struggling in the road. it's not a surprise that any car can accelerate. i've driven 990cc charade , 800cc Maruti also in high speeds, it's your driving style. but drive with passion is different. all those are hatred stories.

Well said! It just an ordinary vehicle with nice appearance, decent power, fuel economy and some extra inches of ground clearance comparing to a JDM middle class sedan.

Me too owns a 2WD variant for last 4 months and I really love it. Not struggled any time in 80kmh. 2,3 times I've pulled it to 140+ in Katu express way and didn't gave any trouble yet. event I could pull it more than that but I surrender since I was not alone. Didn't feel any under powered symptoms. Normally I'm using cruise in 100 if it's not a rush hour.

Prior to this, I owned a civic VI-RS multimatic as well as a manual one. I feel the same torque which I got from the multimatic.

But I AGREE with this GOLD badge + Tan interior morons thinking they're having the best vezel in town. Poor kids removing durable Japanese silver batches to fix cheap Chinese golds.

Edited February 19, 2015 by overTuned

[sasika]

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Well said! It just an ordinary vehicle with nice appearance, decent power, fuel economy and some extra inches of ground clearance comparing to a JDM middle class sedan. <br />

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Me too owns a 2WD variant for last 4 months and I really love it. Not struggled any time in 80kmh. 2,3 times I've pulled it to 140+ in Katu express way and didn't gave any trouble yet. event I could pull it more than that but I surrender since I was not alone. Didn't feel any under powered symptoms. Normally I'm using cruise in 100 if it's not a rush hour. <br />

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Prior to this, I owned a civic VI-RS multimatic as well as a manual one. I feel the same torque which I got from the multimatic.<br />

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But I AGREE with this GOLD badge + Tan interior morons thinking they're having the best vezel in town. Poor kids removing durable Japanese silver batches to fix cheap Chinese golds.</p></blockquote>

Ah I own a X grade with black interior and no gold badges

[peugeot407]

My perception, Vezel is an average vehicle and theirs nothing significant about it to talk about. It is best suited for an average user to travel from A to B efficiently and I can compare it to a 1950's Morris Minor.

As I have mentioned above when it comes to above 80 speeds it becomes sluggish compared to other vehicles in 150 bhp range.

[iRage]

Well said! It just an ordinary vehicle with nice appearance, decent power, fuel economy and some extra inches of ground clearance comparing to a JDM middle class sedan.

Me too owns a 2WD variant for last 4 months and I really love it. Not struggled any time in 80kmh. 2,3 times I've pulled it to 140+ in Katu express way and didn't gave any trouble yet. event I could pull it more than that but I surrender since I was not alone. Didn't feel any under powered symptoms. Normally I'm using cruise in 100 if it's not a rush hour.

and under normal driving conditions you wouldn't. Just like you wouldn't with any other 1500cc car. I used to have a E100 series Corolla in the mid nineties and that thing e I am sure it will do up to 180. There are plenty of youtube videos posted by morons doing 180 in their Axios and Allions.

No Sasika...it was NOT on eco mode. I distinctly remember the eco mode sucking real bad and me getting pissed off at the adaptive accl pedal.

Oh geez....so the next fever is going to be de-badged Weasels ? I guess maroon colored Weasels would depreciate more than the other colors especially if it has gold badges...

Edited February 19, 2015 by iRage

[sasika]

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and under normal driving conditions you wouldn't. Just like you wouldn't with any other 1500cc car. I used to have a E100 series Corolla in the mid nineties and that thing e I am sure it will do up to 180. There are plenty of youtube videos posted by morons doing 180 in their Axios and Allions.<br />
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No Sasika...it was NOT on eco mode. I distinctly remember the eco mode sucking real bad and me getting pissed off at the adaptive accl pedal.<br />
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Oh geez....so the next fever is going to be debadged Weasels ? </p></blockquote>
Yeah Eco mode sucks. And I have the RFP off. And also that color changing dash board. I don't want the vehicle to teach me how to accelerate
And I took it up to 180 in the katu expressway. Well it started feeling underpowered around 150-160 but not before that
And in some outstation roads when trying to overtake, many cars I have driven felt underpowered.. like the Premio 260. feels like it take ages to accelerate. but I dont feel like that in the vezel. That's where I first started loving this car..

Edited February 19, 2015 by sasika

[overTuned]

Yeah Eco mode sucks. And I have the RFP off. And also that color changing dash board. I don't want the vehicle to teach me how to accelerate

And I took it up to 180 in the katu expressway. Well it started feeling underpowered around 150-160 but not before that

Me too avoid the eco mode and with minimal RFP. I didn't pull off mine tp 150-160 range yet. So no idea with it. BTW, I'm having black Z grade with black interior.

[The Don]

Sasika,

You have spent your own hard earned money and bought a car. Drive it sensibly, safely and enjoy it.

Don't waste your time and our time trying to justify your purchase.

Because

1. You've already bought the car and spent the money. There is no point talking about it now.

2. Its your car, your money. Its up to you to spend it on whatever you want.

[overTuned]

and under normal driving conditions you wouldn't. Just like you wouldn't with any other 1500cc car. I used to have a E100 series Corolla in the mid nineties and that thing e I am sure it will do up to 180. There are plenty of youtube videos posted by morons doing 180 in their Axios and Allions.

No Sasika...it was NOT on eco mode. I distinctly remember the eco mode sucking real bad and me getting pissed off at the adaptive accl pedal.

Oh geez....so the next fever is going to be de-badged Weasels ? I guess maroon colored Weasels would depreciate more than the other colors especially if it has gold badges...

I guess most of white / maroon colored ones are with gold batches. They're the still in Allion / Premio mind thinking that those are most demanded colors

I do have 2,3 friends who's doing vehicle imports. People come to them and ask for a Wine red Z unit with Tan interior and gold batches. They even don't know what are the available colors, grades, ect...

[sasika]

Sasika,

You have spent your own hard earned money and bought a car. Drive it sensibly, safely and enjoy it.

Don't waste your time and our time trying to justify your purchase.

Because

1. You've already bought the car and spent the money. There is no point talking about it now.

2. Its your car, your money. Its up to you to spend it on whatever you want.

I didn't actually justify. It was about all the bashing that's going around.. yeah maybe you are right. Haters gonna hate and I shouldn't be bothered

[Crosswind]

Please go form something like this and leave us alone. That way no one's gonna hate you.

[AbeysinghE]

I didn't actually justify. It was about all the bashing that's going around.. yeah maybe you are right. Haters gonna hate and I shouldn't be bothered

My friend. You should not be worried about what other people have to say about your purchase. If you are happy, then enjoy it. Why you are trying to stand for Vezels? Haters will not love it even if you try your maximum to show others how good the vehicle is. As The Don pointed out It's just wasting your valuable time. I didn't buy a Vezel coz it didn't impressed my needs. i don't think it's a bad vehicle by any means..It's all about personal preferences..but one thing is for sure..If you continue this thread, you can convert yourself from Newbie to a Member just within no time..

[Jor-el]

Come on S, read the thread again, nobody bashed vezel, nobody said it's not a good car to own, they just pointed out vezel is NOT BETTER than the average honda civic or Lancer ex, Mazda 3 and such. They just pointed out it has a weight disadvantage when compared to those cars. You were the one who were comparing vezel to laferraris. You bragged you did 150+ kmph on highway which is totally illegal. You didnt want to understand sensible explaining iRage gave to you why vezel feels underpowered, you assumed he was driving on Eco mode. And still you are wondering why vezel is getting bashed.

Long story short,

1. Vezel is not getting bashed, thick headed vezel owners like you do.

2. Other motorists are not bashing vezel because they are jealous of it. In fact, vezel is in the same league of average cars like civics, mazda 3s and lancers when it comes to driving pleasure. But those car owners never opened threads like "why civic is bad, why lancer is bad". They are happy with their cars and enjoy their cars. They doesn't care if others look at their cars in awe or in despise.

[sathyajithj99]

and under normal driving conditions you wouldn't. Just like you wouldn't with any other 1500cc car. I used to have a E100 series Corolla in the mid nineties and that thing e I am sure it will do up to 180. There are plenty of youtube videos posted by morons doing 180 in their Axios and Allions.

No Sasika...it was NOT on eco mode. I distinctly remember the eco mode sucking real bad and me getting pissed off at the adaptive accl pedal.

Oh geez....so the next fever is going to be de-badged Weasels ? I guess maroon colored Weasels would depreciate more than the other colors especially if it has gold badges...

Just give up iRage. This guy does not deserve your valuable time and knowledge

[ruwds]

Yeah Eco mode sucks. And I have the RFP off. And also that color changing dash board. I don't want the vehicle to teach me how to accelerate

And I took it up to 180 in the katu expressway. Well it started feeling underpowered around 150-160 but not before that

And in some outstation roads when trying to overtake, many cars I have driven felt underpowered.. like the Premio 260. feels like it take ages to accelerate. but I dont feel like that in the vezel. That's where I first started loving this car..

Please understand, when you start driving like a moron as you mentioned (over speeding etc), that's when people will start generalising and hating the 'vezel' drivers as a whole. Doubt you will understand as even after 7 pages on this thread you believe you own the road as you drive a vezel.

Just enjoy your ride sensibly and there will be no haters.