Clarification on Honda CR-V and Peugeot 3008

[Dhaham]

I’m considering Honda CR-V & Peugeot 3008 for my permit. I need to get some points clarified. It would be much appreciated if you can help me.
1. In case of Peugeot, I Have two options. Either to buy from local agent (at a higher price for lesser options) or to import from UK. Will UK version be suitable for Sri Lankan conditions. (Especially for Petrol, Temperature range, humidity & road conditions).
2. In case of Honda CR-V, only option is Australian version. ( Local agent’s price & JDM price is not affordable for me). Will this be suitable for Sri Lankan environment?
3. Out of 3008 & CR-V, what will be more suitable to be used in Sri Lanka?
Thanks in advance.

[iRage]

Based purely on (3); CR-V because Sri Lankans have this weird mentality against Euro cars....and also...I do believe the CR-V would be easier to maintain in terms of accessibility to parts and stuff (since there are more CR-Vs on the road than the P3008).

As for differences in climatization....I don't think any of us know the practical reality of these new vehicles. Toyota, Honda and other Japanese manufacturers keep talking about their vehicle lineups being global standard models with differences only in engine/regulatory specs and accessories/features; whilst everything, materials and quality of finish, etc...being equal. So based on these kinds of statements you would think that the dashboard in a UK spec model will not turn in to a sticky pile of faux leathered plastic in SL.

[kush]

UK spec cars will need 95 octane, SL domestic/ Aussi/ JDM cars will run on 92 so there will be significant saving on fuel costs.

Local agents do not support Pugs imported by others even with a costly registration like Merc / BMW so you will have issues if some thing goes wrong. Believe me they do, there are few already in dire straits.

Look a slightly used JDM 2018, cost per the permit will be around Rs. 7.5 Mn. if personally imported.

And of cause the resale value if it is a concern.

 

[matroska]

1 hour ago, kush said:

UK spec cars will need 95 octane, SL domestic/ Aussi/ JDM cars will run on 92 so there will be significant saving on fuel costs.

Isn't the Octane factor based on the engine technology -being turbo charged etc? Wouldn't a turbo charged CRV require 95 Oct regardless where it was intended for?

[aamarakoon]

CRV runs on 91 or above. 

[iRage]

14 minutes ago, matroska said:

Isn't the Octane factor based on the engine technology -being turbo charged etc? Wouldn't a turbo charged CRV require 95 Oct regardless where it was intended for?

yes..basically what the engine's tech would need....and what is required for the emissions systems to work properly to stay within the regulated thresholds. Now a days...most cars  (that fall under the whole, global models bracket) would have more or less the same requirements.

Edited September 18, 2019 by iRage

[kush]

3 minutes ago, matroska said:

Isn't the Octane factor based on the engine technology -being turbo charged etc? Wouldn't a turbo charged CRV require 95 Oct regardless where it was intended for?

No, these turbos operate under low pressure and intended purpose is marginally higher out put from a lower capacity with intention of low emissions and fuel consumption. Power output for the given capacity in not very high in comparison to sport tuned turbos.

Besides if you go through the owners manuals the requirement is 92 octane.

If it is UK import and says regular then it is 95 as in UK regular is 95, Super/ Premium 98

If it is JDM/ Aus and says regular it is 92

I still cant believe the logic of wasting Rs. 24 on every liter of fuel when it is not required by the specific vehicle.

[matroska]

5 minutes ago, kush said:

still cant believe the logic of wasting Rs. 24 on every liter of fuel

I know a few people who pump 95 on their vezels,axios etc these are the same folks who use 'nitrogen' for their tires  

[iRage]

7 minutes ago, kush said:

No, these turbos operate under low pressure and intended purpose is marginally higher out put from a lower capacity with intention of low emissions and fuel consumption. Power output for the given capacity in not very high in comparison to sport tuned turbos.

Besides if you go through the owners manuals the requirement is 92 octane.

If it is UK import and says regular then it is 95 as in UK regular is 95, Super/ Premium 98

If it is JDM/ Aus and says regular it is 92

I still cant believe the logic of wasting Rs. 24 on every liter of fuel when it is not required by the specific vehicle.

and that is where it gets hazy but also non-sensible.

The CRV runs on regular gasoline....it is just that in some countries regular ranges from 91 - 95 (Japan) and in some countries it is just 92 and in some countries it is just 95 (like UK..or even if you go to Esso or Eneos in Japan it will be 95). SO the question becomes although the regular gasoline in the UK is 95...does that mean that it cannot run on 92 ? It probably can...then the question becomes will the car's emission control systems work properly if it was lower.

 

[kush]

37 minutes ago, iRage said:

and that is where it gets hazy but also non-sensible.

The CRV runs on regular gasoline....it is just that in some countries regular ranges from 91 - 95 (Japan) and in some countries it is just 92 and in some countries it is just 95 (like UK..or even if you go to Esso or Eneos in Japan it will be 95). SO the question becomes although the regular gasoline in the UK is 95...does that mean that it cannot run on 92 ? It probably can...then the question becomes will the car's emission control systems work properly if it was lower.

 

From what i know as long as the car does not knock due to low octane it should be fine. Of-cause there could be marginal decrease in power/ performance and economy/ emission due to ECU adjusting engine timing to accommodate for the lower octane. 

I have not noticed any significant issues so even on vehicles that are designed for 95 running on 92 (on temporary cases when could not find 95)

[aamarakoon]

5 hours ago, kush said:

From what i know as long as the car does not knock due to low octane it should be fine. Of-cause there could be marginal decrease in power/ performance and economy/ emission due to ECU adjusting engine timing to accommodate for the lower octane. 

I have not noticed any significant issues so even on vehicles that are designed for 95 running on 92 (on temporary cases when could not find 95)

Having my CRV for  9 months and always pumped 92. Not a single knock so far.

[Dhaham]

1)  Thank you very much for your valuable comments. Your answers covered points 2 & 3. However it will be better if I can get a more clear clarification on my 1st question.

 Will UK version of Peugeot 3008 be suitable for Sri Lankan conditions. (Especially for Petrol, Temperature range, humidity & road conditions).

2) I have one more question. I know that CRV Australian version is made in Thailand. What about CRV Japanese (JDM) version. Is it made in Japan or Thailand?

[JayZ]

If its me, honestly i would stay away from the  3008. 

I knew a 3008 which had to go for a complete engine replacement ( not the latest version, the one previous) and  will be a tough sell down the line even though how tempting the design looks.

CRV JDM also made in Thailand and exported to Japan (for JDM Spec)

Audi Q2 not within your budget? 

 

[Dhaham]

1 hour ago, JayZ said:

If its me, honestly i would stay away from the  3008. 

I knew a 3008 which had to go for a complete engine replacement ( not the latest version, the one previous) and  will be a tough sell down the line even though how tempting the design looks.

CRV JDM also made in Thailand and exported to Japan (for JDM Spec)

Audi Q2 not within your budget? 

 

Does it mean that Audi is more suitable than Peugeot for Sri Lanka? (Considering re-sale value, maintenance cost, availability of spare parts etc.)

[matroska]

5 hours ago, Dhaham said:

Will UK version of Peugeot 3008 be suitable for Sri Lankan conditions. (Especially for Petrol, Temperature range, humidity & road conditions).

Well that's a bit subjective -might be too early to tell....there's a lot of UK version civics in the country now - even the agent is importing them (under a different name but with a warranty)  surely they must have done a study of suitability. As irage mentioned most companies go for 'global' models nowadays however a specific model failing under these conditions cannot be ruled out. 

[matroska]

1 hour ago, Dhaham said:

Considering re-sale value, maintenance cost, availability of spare parts etc

If you're overly concerned about the above - I'd say just go with the Japanese option :in your case - the CRV it's not a bad vehicle at all.. and will check the above criteria more than the Peugeots or the Audis. 

[JayZ]

1 hour ago, Dhaham said:

Does it mean that Audi is more suitable than Peugeot for Sri Lanka? (Considering re-sale value, maintenance cost, availability of spare parts etc.)

Like other members said, If resale value is a factor,  better off sticking to a Japanese. 

On Audi, there are quite a few specialists who bring down spares and do major maintenance work.  So relatively it will be a better pick compared to depending on Car Mart only.

[iRage]

9 hours ago, JayZ said:

CRV JDM also made in Thailand and exported to Japan (for JDM Spec)

 

Actually no....the Hybrids are manufactured in Japan (the production facility in Sayama. The Gasoline variants were supposed to come from Thailand (which they might have changed by now and build that also in Japan). Even then most of the parts are produced in Thailand and brought over to japan.

Edited September 19, 2019 by iRage

[JayZ]

11 hours ago, iRage said:

Actually no....the Hybrids are manufactured in Japan (the production facility in Sayama. The Gasoline variants were supposed to come from Thailand (which they might have changed by now and build that also in Japan). Even then most of the parts are produced in Thailand and brought over to japan.

i see. So the JDM imports we have now on SL roads are actually from Japan?

[kush]

3 hours ago, JayZ said:

i see. So the JDM imports we have now on SL roads are actually from Japan?

Either assembled in Japan using Thai parts or totally manufactured in Thailand

You should be able to find out from VIN number or plate

[Dhaham]

8 minutes ago, kush said:

Either assembled in Japan using Thai parts or totally manufactured in Thailand

You should be able to find out from VIN number or plate

1. How to find it from VIN?

2. Is VIN same as Chassis number?

[iRage]

5 hours ago, JayZ said:

i see. So the JDM imports we have now on SL roads are actually from Japan?

Well..the hybrids were supposed to be assembled in Japan as per original plan..and I think that is still happening as the Thai plant is not fully up to scale in assembling Hybrid cars.

The Gasoline vehicles were supposed to be imported from Thailand, but depending on production capacities it was supposed to be switched to Japan for JDM models. I am not sure if it has been shifted.

1 hour ago, kush said:

Either assembled in Japan using Thai parts or totally manufactured in Thailand

You should be able to find out from VIN number or plate

Yes...the once that are assembled in Japan are assembled using parts from Thailand...but then not all components in even the fully Thai assembled models are made in Thailand....so some parts are from Thailand, some are from Japan, some fromsomewhere else...etc.

 

1 hour ago, Dhaham said:

1. How to find it from VIN?

2. Is VIN same as Chassis number?

Cars in certain markets have VIN numbers (eg in America, some EU and Middle eastern markets) The VIN number has a code that shows what the country of origin is. The VIN number is not the same as the chassis code in JDM and most asian market vehicles. The VIN is as it is far more informative than the chassis number, but both the chassis number and VINs serve the same purpose..provide unique identification for the car. The Asian chassis number shows only model code  and the vehicle's production number. The model code sometimes says what class of engine the vehicle has and the platform. For example, for Toyota; NZT260-0932222 would indicate that the car has a NZ type engine...T260 series and that the car in question is the 932222nd car produced. Toyota even has a model frame code which is something like NZT260-AEWEK and this code identifies what the trim/grade level of the car is and things like the transmission type. Nissan, MItsubishi, etc...have their own slightly different codes.

If your car has a VIN number...because it came from UK, or somewhere else...then look in the user manual as to what each part of the code says and then you can figure out where it came from. If you have a car from a market that has Chassis/Frame number, then you cannot say where the car came from...however in most of these cars the ID plate says who the manufacturer is (Toyota Thailand, Honda Thailand, Nissan Japan, etc...) or you can get it from the plant code.

[kush]

This should give you the full picture

Edited September 20, 2019 by kush

[vitz]

Regarding the use of Octane 92 for Euro imported 3008!!!! one of my colleague got sudden stop of engine after using 92 on 3008. He had to get it repaired....

However, before it happened he has used 92 occasionally but nothing had happened.   

[kush]

9 minutes ago, vitz said:

Regarding the use of Octane 92 for Euro imported 3008!!!! one of my colleague got sudden stop of engine after using 92 on 3008. He had to get it repaired....

However, before it happened he has used 92 occasionally but nothing had happened.   

Low Octane than recommended and be used occasionally when the recommended fuel  is not available. You should avid full throttle and load under such situations and fill up with recommended fuel immediately.

Regular use of lower octane than recommended is asking for trouble as in your friends case.

This is why it is important to factor the fuel requirement of the vehicle given the ridiculous price difference between 92 and 95

 

[iRage]

1 hour ago, kush said:

This should give you the full picture

I have not deciphered the 3BA part yet...but looking at that code....

NRE210H...NR engine (the 8NR), E is the Corolla family and 210 is the series and H is for hatch. BHXNZ suggests it is a CVT (a K313 with a 04A axle) that is a G trim, the -Z indicates that it is a sub trim Z.

So you have a 1.2L Gasoline engine Hatchback manufactured in Japan (as indicated in the Tsutsumi plant (I forget it is either Takaoka or Tsutsumi...one is A41 and the other is A42).

As you can see the Model code and the Frame number it self does not say what the country of assembly/production is.