2010 Chevrolet Camaro Revieled !!!

[Mean Green z28]

Final Production spec car was released on Monday ... woohooo ... guess who's starting to seriously put money in the piggy bank?

LINK TO GALLERY

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/07/21/2010-ch...ils-and-images/

You've waited long enough, so let's dispense with the pleasantries and get right down to the hard facts.

Three models - LS, LT, SS

LS and LT come with 3.6L direct-inject V6 (300 hp/273 lb-ft)

SS six-speed manual comes with 6.2L LS3 V8 (422 hp/408 lb-ft)

SS six-speed automatic comes with new 6.2L L99 V8 (400 hp/395 ft-lb) and Active Fuel Management

3.6L DI V6 gets 26 mpg highway

6.2L V8 with automatic gets 23 mpg highway

RS appearance package available on LT and SS (includes HID headlamps with integrated halo rings, spoiler, specific taillamps and 20-inch wheels)

Front and rear independent suspension

FE2 suspension for LS and LT, sportier FE3 for SS

Four-wheel disc ABS standard, SS gets four-piston Brembo calipers

SS model gets adjustable Competitive/Sport mode for stability control and Launch Control on manual models

Available 18-,19- and 20-inch wheels

You can read Chevy's full press release after the jump and browse the official, full-size image collection in the gallery below. Stay tuned for our post of live coverage from our team on the ground.

PRESS RELEASE

Chevrolet Unveils The 2010 Camaro - A Fun, Efficient Sports Car For The 21st Century

All-new, world-class sports car

Fuel-efficient, 3.6L direct-injected V-6 delivers an estimated 26 mpg on the highway

Range of fuel-saving, six-speed transmissions standard on all models and powertrains

Powerful SS models equipped with LS3 V-8 (manual transmission) and L99 with Active Fuel Management (automatic transmission)

Advanced vehicle technology, including Bluetooth connectivity and available HID headlamps with integrated halo rings

Designed, engineered and built with GM's global development process

DETROIT –Chevrolet introduced the production 2010 Camaro today. It is a heritage-inspired sports car for the 21 st century, combining great looks and performance; advanced technology and surprising efficiency – including 26-mpg estimated highway fuel economy. Sales begin in the first quarter of 2009.

Built on GM's new, global rear-wheel-drive architecture, the Camaro is offered in V-6-powered LS and LT models, as well as the V-8-powered SS. All models and powertrain combinations include fuel-saving six-speed transmissions.

"Camaro delivers all of the things that make Chevrolet such a revered, global brand," said Ed Peper, GM North America vice president, Chevrolet. "It competes with the world's best sports cars and does so with styling, fuel economy and value our competitors simply can't match."

Advanced powertrain technologies, including engines with direct injection and Active Fuel Management, enable a satisfying balance of exhilarating performance and good fuel economy.

"The new Chevrolet Camaro delivers a thoroughly modern, advanced package of performance, comfort and technology," said Peper. "It's a sports car for a new generation of enthusiasts that doesn't forget the heritage that helped make the original a cultural icon . That is no small feat and it took a worldwide commitment to achieve it."

Indeed, the 2010 Camaro exemplifies GM's global development process. The design concept originated in the United States; engineering was directed by GM's global rear-wheel-drive team in Australia; validation was conducted on roads around the world and assembly will take place at GM's award-winning Oshawa facility in Canada.

Product highlights include:

Sleek styling with contemporary cues and 10 available exterior colors

LS and LT models offered with an advanced, 3.6L direct-injected V-6 engine with variable valve timing and a choice of six-speed manual or automatic transmissions

SS model offered with 6.2L V-8 – including fuel-saving Active Fuel Management on automatic-equipped combinations – and a six-speed manual transmission

Four-wheel independent suspension system, including a 4.5-link rear suspension

Variable-rate power steering with the rack mounted forward of the front axle for greater driver feel

Four-wheel disc brake systems standard on all models, including four-piston Brembo calipers on SS models

Stabilitrak stability control system and traction control standard on all models

Competitive/Sport modes for the stability system offered on SS models, including launch control on SS models equipped with the six-speed manual transmission

Family of 18-, 19- and 20-inch wheels

Detailed interior with heritage-inspired design, excellent attention to detail and available ambient lighting via LED light pipe technology

Robust body structure and exceptional build quality

Six standard air bags, including head curtain side-impact air bags and front seat-mounted thorax side air bags

RS appearance package available on LT and SS, including HID headlamps with integrated halo rings, spoiler, specific taillamps and 20-inch wheels

The new Camaro also has technologies that enhance performance, comfort and convenience, including:

Bluetooth phone connectivity

Premium Boston Acoustics audio system

USB connectivity

Ultrasonic rear parking assist (late introduction)

Remote vehicle starting system

OnStar

XM Satellite Radio

Additionally, details such as frameless door windows with automatic indexing glass contribute to the overall feeling of quality, substance and technical prowess.

Design details

With a design that is very faithful to the original concept, the 2010 Camaro is a 21 st century sports car that acknowledges its heritage. A long front dash-to-axle and short rear deck give the Camaro classic proportions, while a sleek windshield profile, wheels pushed to the corners and muscular fender forms are modern elements that reinforce its advanced engineering – and give the car a decidedly aggressive stance.

Elements such as a forward-V shape at the front of the car and "gills" in the rear quarter panels are distinctly Camaro cues, as are the broad rear fender "shoulders." Those elements make the new Camaro instantly recognizable, but their execution is smoothly integrated into the contemporary exterior form. A family of large, 18-, 19- and 20-inch wheels also contributes to the Camaro's modern appearance.

"The new Camaro is just that – new," said Ed Welburn, vice president of GM Global Design. "We acknowledge the nameplate's strong heritage in the design, but recognize that keeping this modern sports car relevant meant more than simply honoring a classic car. The line forms, stance and overall execution are consistent with other new Chevrolets."

A well-executed balance of heritage, modern design and attention to detail also characterizes the Camaro's interior. A pair of deeply recessed instrument binnacles that feature round gauges in square housings is a nod to classic Camaros, while an available ambient light package offers advanced LED light pipe technology to give the cabin a distinctive and inviting glow. Cloth upholstery is standard; heated leather-appointed seats are available.

Details such as large, chrome-trimmed controls, low-gloss surfaces and premium fabric or acrylic appliqués convey a richness that is unprecedented in previous Camaro models – and challenge its contemporary competitors. More great detail is evidenced in the available center-console gauge cluster, which takes its cue from a similar option on 1969 Camaros. It displays oil temperature, oil pressure, state-of-battery and transmission fluid temperature, all highlighted with modern LED backlighting.

Powertrains

An advanced, efficient 3.6L direct-injected V-6 with variable valve timing is standard on LS and LT models. Direct injection technology helps the engine deliver more power through increased efficiency, while maintaining fuel economy and lowering emissions. That means less fuel is consumed and lower emissions generated – including a 25-percent drop in cold-start hydrocarbon emissions.

The Camaro's 3.6L engine also employs variable valve timing to optimize performance and fuel economy across the rpm range. It is rated at an estimated 300 horsepower (224 kW) and 273 lb.-ft. of torque (370 Nm). A six-speed manual transmission is standard with the 3.6L engine; a Hydra-Matic 6L50 electronically controlled six-speed automatic, with TAPshift control, is available.

The high-performance Camaro SS is equipped with a powerful 6.2L V-8, with a choice of a six-speed manual or six-speed automatic transmission. Standard, manual transmission-equipped models receive the LS3 engine, estimated at 422 horsepower (315 kW) and 408 lb.-ft. of torque (553 Nm). The LS3 debuted on the 2008 Corvette and uses high-flow cylinder heads based on the Corvette Z06's LS7 engine to enable great low-end torque and high-rpm power. It is paired with a TR6060 six-speed transmission.

A new, L99 V-8 engine is used on automatic transmission-equipped SS models. It is based on the LS3 and carries all of its high-performance design features, but also includes GM's fuel-saving Active Fuel Management feature. It enables the engine to run on only four cylinders during light-load driving conditions, such as highway cruising, to improve fuel economy. The V-8 is estimated at 400 horsepower (299 kW) and 395 lb.-ft. of torque (535 Nm); and it is matched with a Hydra-Matic 6L80 six-speed transmission. This combination delivers an estimated 23 mpg on the highway.

Body structure and chassis

The 2010 Camaro is built on GM's global rear-wheel-drive architecture, with a strong body structure that enhances safety, quietness and handling. World-class build quality and attention to detail are enabled by features including one-piece body side stampings and very precise tolerances between body panels.

Front and rear independent suspensions are mounted to the rigid chassis, including a multi-link strut arrangement in the front with a direct-acting stabilizer bar and a double ball-joint configuration; and a unique, 4.5-link rear suspension that is double-isolated from the chassis for smoother, quieter driving experience.

Camaro offers two suspensions. LS and LT models receive an FE2 (sport) suspension, while the SS receives the FE3 (performance) suspension, including a lower ride height. Each is tuned to match the performance capabilities of their respective powertrains, as are their wheel-and-tire combinations.

A variable-rate rack-and-pinion power steering system mounts the rack forward of the front axle, for more direct action, an enhanced feeling of driver feedback and better weight balance.

Brakes and chassis control

Four-wheel disc brakes with ABS are standard on all models. LS and LT models receive single-piston calipers all around, with mass-reducing aluminum rear calipers. SS models have larger rotors that are acted upon by four-piston, aluminum Brembo calipers at all four corners. They are designed to stand up to the severe use encountered on road-race tracks, delivering excellent feedback and pedal feel, as well as fade-resistant performance during racing.

GM's StabilTrak electronic stability control system is standard and incorporates traction control. The system on SS models includes Competitive/Sport mode that is adjustable for performance driving, such as on a racetrack; it also includes a Launch Control feature on SS models with the manual transmission. It enables quicker, more consistent takeoffs during performance driving.

Safety

Designed to protect occupants before, during and after a crash, the Camaro offers a comprehensive system of safety features – starting with a robust body structure and integral safety cage around the passenger compartment. High-strength steel and ultra high-strength steel are used in key areas throughout the structure.

Safety technologies integrated in the Camaro include:

Driver and front-passenger dual-stage air bags

Driver and front-passenger seat-mounted thorax side-impact air bags

Head curtain side-impact air bags for front and rear seat occupants

Front seat safety belt load limiters and pre-tensioners

The front passenger protection system senses children and small-stature adults and suppresses air bag deployment when appropriate.

Standard OnStar service assists after a crash. With OnStar's Advanced Crash Response System, the vehicle automatically sends a signal to OnStar for assistance, even if the air bags don't deploy.

Chevrolet is one of America's best-known and best-selling automotive brands. With the largest dealer network in the United States, Chevy is the leader in full-size trucks and the leader in sales of vehicles priced $35,000 and above. Chevrolet delivers more-than-expected value in every vehicle category, offering cars and trucks priced from $12,120 to $103,300. Chevy delivers expressive design, spirited performance and great value with standard features usually found only on more expensive vehicles. More information on Chevrolet can be found at www.chevrolet.com.

Models:

Chevrolet Camaro LS, LT and SS

Body style / driveline:

four-passenger, front-engine, rear-drive coupe

Construction:

unitized body frame, one- and two-sided galvanized steel

EPA vehicle class:

coupe

Manufacturing location:

Oshawa, Ontario, Canada

Oshawa Car Assembly Plant -- The plant assembles the Chevrolet Camaro and Impala and Buick Allure. TheOshawa Car Assembly Plant has placed among the leaders in the J.D. Power Initial Quality Survey for the premium and mid-size segment for a number of years.

Key competitors:

Dodge Challenger, Ford Mustang, Nissan 350Z

Engines

3.6L V-6 DI VVT (LLT)

6.2L V-8 (LS3, L99)

Application:

LS, LT

SS

Type:

3.6L V-6

6.2L V-8

Displacement (cu in / cc):

217 / 3564

376 / 6162

Bore & stroke (in / mm):

3.70 x 3.37 / 94 x 85.6

4.06 x 3.62 / 103.25 x 92

Block material:

cast aluminum w/ cast-in-place iron bore liners

cast aluminum w/ cast-in-place iron bore liners

Cylinder head material:

aluminum

aluminum

Valvetrain:

dual overhead camshafts, four valves per cylinder, continuously variable valve timing

valve-in-head; two valves per cylinder; roller lifters; Active Fuel Management (L99)

Ignition system:

electronic individual coil-on-plug; individual cylinder knock control and extended-life platinum-tipped spark plugs

high-energy distributorless ignition; solid state direct-fire ignition w/ coil near plug and integrated ignition

Fuel delivery:

direct high-pressure fuel injection

returnless, multi-port fuel injection

Compression ratio:

11.3:1

10.7:1

Horsepower

(hp / kW @ rpm):

300 / 224 @ 6400 rpm*

422 / 315 @ 5000 (LS3)*

400 / 299 @ 5000 (L99)*

Torque

(lb-ft / Nm @ rpm):

273 / 370 @ 5200 rpm*

408 / 553 @ 4500 (LS3)*

395 / 535 @ 4500 (L99)*

Recommended fuel:

regular unleaded

premium recommended

Maximum engine speed (rpm):

7000

6000 (L99)

6600 (LS3)

Emissions controls:

evaporative system, single close-coupled catalytic converter, equal-length exhaust, single underfloor catalytic converter, positive crankcase ventilation, intake and exhaust cam phasers, electronic throttle control

evaporative system, close-coupled catalytic converters, positive crankcase ventilation, electronic throttle control

Fuel economy (auto trans):

26 hwy (est)

23 hwy (est)

Transmissions

Hydra-Matic 6L50 six-speed automatic (LS, LT) w/ TAPshift

Hydra-Matic 6L80 six-speed automatic (SS) w/ TAPshift

Aisin Warner AY6 six-speed manual (LS, LT)

TR6060 six-speed manual (SS)

Gear ratios (:1):

First:

4.07

4.03

4.48

3.01

Second:

2.37

2.36

2.58

2.07

Third:

1.55

1.53

1.63

1.43

Fourth:

1.16

1.15

1.19

1.00

Fifth:

0.85

0.85

1.00

0.84

Sixth:

0.67

0.67

0.75

0.57

Reverse:

3.06

3.06

3.67

3.28

Final drive ratio:

3.27

3.27

3.27

3.45

Chassis/Suspension

Front:

double-ball-joint, multi-link strut; direct-acting stabilizer bar; progressive-rate coil springs; fully adjustable camber, caster and toe

Rear:

4.5-link independent; progressive-rate coil springs over shocks; stabilizer bar; fully adjustable camber and toe

Steering type:

variable-ratio rack-and-pinion

Steering ratio:

16.1:1

Steering wheel turns, lock-to-lock:

2.5

Turning circle, curb-to-curb

(ft / m):

37.7/11.5

Brakes

Type:

four-wheel disc w/ ABS; ventilated front and rear rotors; single-piston front calipers and single-piston alloy rear calipers (LS, LT); four-piston fixed Brembo aluminum front and rear calipers (SS)

Rotor diameter, front (in / mm):

LS, LT: 12.64 / 321

SS: 14 / 355

Rotor diameter, rear (in / mm):

LS, LT: 12.4 / 315

SS: 14.4 / 365

Rotor thickness, front (in / mm):

LS, LT: 1.18 / 30

SS: 1.26 / 32

Rotor thickness, rear (in / mm):

LS, LT: 0.9 / 23

SS: 1.1 / 28

Wheels/Tires

LS

LT

SS

Wheel size and type:

18 x 7.5-inch steel

18 x 7.5-inch aluminum

19 x 8-inch aluminum

20 x 8-inch aluminum (front)

20 x 9-inch aluminum (rear)

Tires:

P245/55R18 all-season

P245/55R18 all-season

P245/50R19 all-season

P245/45ZR20 summer (front)

P275/40ZR20 summer (rear)

Dimensions

Exterior

Wheelbase (in / mm):

112.3 / 2852

Overall length (in / mm):

190.4 / 4836

Overall width (in / mm):

75.5 / 1918

Overall height (in / mm):

54.2 / 1377

Track, front (in / mm):

63.7 / 1618

Track, rear (in / mm):

64.1 / 1628 (LS, LT)

63.7 / 1618 (SS)

Curb weight (lb / kg):

3750 / 1705 – LT w/ automatic

3741 / 1700 – LT w/ manual

3769 / 1713 – LS w/ automatic

3780 / 1718 – LS w/ manual

3913 / 1779 – SS w/ automatic

3860 / 1755 – SS w/ manual

Weight balance (% front / rear):

52 / 48

Interior

Seating capacity (front / rear):

2 / 2

Headroom (in / mm):

front: 37.4 / 950

rear: 35.3 / 897

Legroom (in / mm):

front: 42.4 / 1077

rear: 29.9 / 757

Shoulder room (in / mm):

front: 56.9 / 1444

rear: 42.5 / 1080

Capacities

Cargo volume (cu ft / L):

11.3 / 320

Fuel tank (gal / L):

19 / 71.9

Engine oil (qt / L):

3.6L: 7.6 / 7.2

6.2L: 8.9 / 8.5

*Pending SAE certification.

Note: Information shown is current at time of publication.

[Pericles]

LS and LT come with 3.6L direct-inject V6 (300 hp/273 lb-ft)

SS six-speed manual comes with 6.2L LS3 V8 (422 hp/408 lb-ft)

SS six-speed automatic comes with new 6.2L L99 V8 (400 hp/395 ft-lb) and Active Fuel Management

I dunno about these American cars dude. 6.2L V8s and they only kick out approx 400hp? Compare it to a Euro V8. The Audi R8s 4.2L unit kicks out 420ponies. Ferrari F430 4.3L outputs 490. F430 Scuderia is 510. The new California will get a 4.3L with 460. The new M3 gets a 4.0L with 420.

I mean, with a 6.2L heart, you expect to be pushing out at least 500 ponies. I know it normally takes the Americans a 8.0l V10 to hit that, but they really should progress.

Even Merc manages 500 on a 6.2 V8. The CLK Black.

[Supra_Natural]

I dunno about these American cars dude. 6.2L V8s and they only kick out approx 400hp? Compare it to a Euro V8. The Audi R8s 4.2L unit kicks out 420ponies. Ferrari F430 4.3L outputs 490. F430 Scuderia is 510. The new California will get a 4.3L with 460. The new M3 gets a 4.0L with 420.

I mean, with a 6.2L heart, you expect to be pushing out at least 500 ponies. I know it normally takes the Americans a 8.0l V10 to hit that, but they really should progress.

Even Merc manages 500 on a 6.2 V8. The CLK Black.

The thing with american engines and their relative lack of ponies when compared to euros is basically due to cost cutting and simplicity.... while the euros load up Motors with Titanium this, Unobtanium that, 9000Rpm redlines and whatnot which generally leads to them needing specialized care and kid-glove treatment, american powertrain people often focus on making engines can go on for hundreds of thousands of miles on a comparatively much lower level of maintanance. US focus is always more on simplicity, which is why they go with large unstressed engines as often as possible.

Edited July 23, 2008 by Supra_Natural

[Watchman]

The thing with american engines and their relative lack of ponies when compared to euros is basically due to cost cutting and simplicity.... while the euros load up Motors with Titanium this, Unobtanium that, 9000Rpm redlines and whatnot which generally leads to them needing specialized care and kid-glove treatment, american powertrain people often focus on making engines can go on for hundreds of thousands of miles on a comparatively much lower level of maintanance. US focus is always more on simplicity, which is why they go with large unstressed engines as often as possible.

byou make a very good point, but i gotta agree with peri on this, see, the Camera is a sports car, and i'm sure that even though a few people will be using these as their daily long haul vehicles the majority probably would be buying this for the 'sports' aspect of it. And the power aspect is indeed the more significant factor.. So, it would make more sense to squeeze out a bit more horsepower out of the engine and compromise on the long run... and i'm sure that even some of the European engines dont exactly lack reliability in the long run even though they have higher power output..

and i'm sure a person who buys this kinda car, has pockets deep enough to dish out a repair/tune-up/overhaul a bit more frequently than the average car...

[Pericles]

The thing with american engines and their relative lack of ponies when compared to euros is basically due to cost cutting and simplicity.... while the euros load up Motors with Titanium this, Unobtanium that, 9000Rpm redlines and whatnot which generally leads to them needing specialized care and kid-glove treatment, american powertrain people often focus on making engines can go on for hundreds of thousands of miles on a comparatively much lower level of maintanance. US focus is always more on simplicity, which is why they go with large unstressed engines as often as possible.

This engine is supposed to have some kinda displacement on demand system. I doubt it'll be a simple system

[Supra_Natural]

byou make a very good point, but i gotta agree with peri on this, see, the Camera is a sports car, and i'm sure that even though a few people will be using these as their daily long haul vehicles the majority probably would be buying this for the 'sports' aspect of it. And the power aspect is indeed the more significant factor.. So, it would make more sense to squeeze out a bit more horsepower out of the engine and compromise on the long run... and i'm sure that even some of the European engines dont exactly lack reliability in the long run even though they have higher power output..

and i'm sure a person who buys this kinda car, has pockets deep enough to dish out a repair/tune-up/overhaul a bit more frequently than the average car...

Im with you on the point you make... but you see, the Camaro (and it's competitor the Mustang) play in a significantly lower price bracket than say, for example the Merc CLK Black edition... the camaro will probably start at around 25,000 USD... wheras the merc is at least 3 times that figure... Americans always focus on keeping costs down as well as "Keepin' it simple"

@ peri.. you have a point about DOD, but what i really meant was simplicity in other aspects like for example the fact that the LS Motors STILL use Overhead Valves and 2 Valves Per Cylinder... all in the name of keeping it cheap.

[Pericles]

Im with you on the point you make... but you see, the Camaro (and it's competitor the Mustang) play in a significantly lower price bracket than say, for example the Merc CLK Black edition... the camaro will probably start at around 25,000 USD... wheras the merc is at least 3 times that figure... Americans always focus on keeping costs down as well as "Keepin' it simple"

@ peri.. you have a point about DOD, but what i really meant was simplicity in other aspects like for example the fact that the LS Motors STILL use Overhead Valves and 2 Valves Per Cylinder... all in the name of keeping it cheap.

I think your being very optimistic about the pricing. I doubt even the V6 will be that low. Even a bog standard Mustang V6 is around $20k. By the time you get to the GT500, your over $40k. You can pick up an Altima Coupe with the VQ35 for $25k. Even the Z has a 3.5l with just over 300 horses, at the around $28k. And I doubt either the Mustang or the Camaro at the same price point would be anywhere near as good as the Z. That'll be selling on different areas of appeal than "good".

And anyway was talking about the disappointment in the V8 figures. I'd really be interested to see the pricing on that. Coz with even the GT500 V8 Mustang at 40K, it should be interesting to see where its priced.

[Supra_Natural]

I think your being very optimistic about the pricing. I doubt even the V6 will be that low. Even a bog standard Mustang V6 is around $20k. By the time you get to the GT500, your over $40k. You can pick up an Altima Coupe with the VQ35 for $25k. Even the Z has a 3.5l with just over 300 horses, at the around $28k. And I doubt either the Mustang or the Camaro at the same price point would be anywhere near as good as the Z. That'll be selling on different areas of appeal than "good".

And anyway was talking about the disappointment in the V8 figures. I'd really be interested to see the pricing on that. Coz with even the GT500 V8 Mustang at 40K, it should be interesting to see where its priced.

well, the camaro IS primarily aimed at the 'stang and the Dodge Challenger, so the pricing would most likely reflect that... when i stated the 25k Figure i omitted to add i meant that would be the base price for the V6, sorry.

Based on the prices of the challenger, the Full house camaro should be in the 35-40k league, It's slightly more sophisticated than the mustang, for example, 4 wheel independent suspension as opposed to the Live rear axle on the 'stang, but it'll be playing for the same customers, just like the 60's originals.

And of course they won't really stand close comparison to something like a 350Z, hopefully they will stack up better than their 90's predecessors did to cars like the Supra or the 300ZX, but they still wont be quite as good... like you mentioned, they're going to be bought for "other reasons"... and they probably will still sell by the skipload!

[kotte mafia]

i really don't kw much abt cars guys, but from the first look if i had 50k in my hand usrely i wil go for the camaro ..damn nice looking beast .... (transfomers movie help me a bit on desiding it )

but i guess all this power or pricing wouldn't be much of a issue when u compaired with the fuel price u have to pay to roll in one daily .... my frnd owns the old camaro and a mustang as well but in a daily besis he uses his subaru . if u try to go to work and come home in it u have to do at least 2 jobs to servive. the cars r pretty good in long runs ..but not that so good in traffic and in low gears it drinks fuel alot ... but when u strat moving in the open road it's really ok .. it even out performe the japs on fuel saving

my personal idea is how attractive or powerful the car is the fuel usage wil be a real big factor .. if unless some one finds few huge oil fields some where and starts pumping crude with out the help of opec and makes this fuel price rocket to a stop

[Ripper]

i really don't kw much abt cars guys, but from the first look if i had 50k in my hand usrely i wil go for the camaro ..damn nice looking beast .... (transfomers movie help me a bit on desiding it )

but i guess all this power or pricing wouldn't be much of a issue when u compaired with the fuel price u have to pay to roll in one daily .... my frnd owns the old camaro and a mustang as well but in a daily besis he uses his subaru . if u try to go to work and come home in it u have to do at least 2 jobs to servive. the cars r pretty good in long runs ..but not that so good in traffic and in low gears it drinks fuel alot ... but when u strat moving in the open road it's really ok .. it even out performe the japs on fuel saving

my personal idea is how attractive or powerful the car is the fuel usage wil be a real big factor .. if unless some one finds few huge oil fields some where and starts pumping crude with out the help of opec and makes this fuel price rocket to a stop

if the figures are accurate and the gallon they're refering to is the US one... the 3.6l motor does 26mpg and that's 6.87 miles per litre... which translates into 11km's per litre...

Someone correct me if i'm wrong on that calculation thingy but 3600cc motor giving 11km's per litre is bloody good...especially when the car looks like that and comes with such a heritage

[kotte mafia]

rippo didi u saw what he said

3.6L DI V6 gets 26 mpg highway

6.2L V8 with automatic gets 23 mpg highway

HIGH WAY ...surely when theres no traffic if theres traffic ur a dead man ... specially the morning rush ....is the killer u would be burning a lot of gas for nothing .... and rav the car up a little bit and the fuel gage goes down infront of ur eyes ....with a full tank machang in a mustang (standard)we only did i guess 50kms .. not really sure may be few more give or take .. in traffic .. imaging having to do it daily ...damn i wil keep my car at home and ride a foot cycle or rent some place which is really close to my work place ...

Edited July 23, 2008 by kotte mafia

[Ripper]

rippo didi u saw what he said

3.6L DI V6 gets 26 mpg highway

6.2L V8 with automatic gets 23 mpg highway

HIGH WAY ...surely when theres no traffic if theres traffic ur a dead man ... specially the morning rush ....is the killer u would be burning a lot of gas for nothing .... and rav the car up a little bit and the fuel gage goes down infront of ur eyes ....with a full tank machang in a mustang (standard)we only did i guess 50kms .. not really sure may be few more give or take .. in traffic .. imaging having to do it daily ...damn i wil keep my car at home and ride a foot cycle or rent some place which is really close to my work place ...

11km's per litre in Highways is still bloody good for a 3.6 litre car...

as far as Mustangs... the stock car carry close to 60litres when the tank is full right? so according to your experience...the car does only 0.8km's per litre

[Supra_Natural]

11km's per litre in Highways is still bloody good for a 3.6 litre car...

as far as Mustangs... the stock car carry close to 60litres when the tank is full right? so according to your experience...the car does only 0.8km's per litre

once again I smell Kotte Fish here

[The Don]

The fuel economy quoted is probably under test "standard" driving conditions !

to give an example a new mini cooper is supposed to do 30+ miles to the gallon, when driven like its supposed to that drops to something around 10 !

[Mean Green z28]

First off, those engines are capable of quite a bit more power with a few simple bolt-on's and much more with a simple cam swap or heads. GM is not gonna encroach on Corvette territory with giving more stock HP to the Camaro. Those numbers are more than enough for the general public and it's easier to get the car through US emissions/sound requirements with de-tuning the engine to those numbers. Also, although we're die hard muscle car fans, we're not the one's keeping the car alive, we are dwarfed by the amount of cars the 'general' public would buy compared to us ... so the car is mostly marketed to them ... and they'll let us mod. the car to suit us. Such is the world...

Also, talking about power levels compared to the Europeans ... the simple pushrod design is ancient technology for sure, but it's simple enough that it's giving the others around the world a good run for their money with the amount of refinement and power it's gotten through the years. For example, an LS7 Corvette crate motor can be had for like $15-17K putting out like 500HP ... the comparable MB engine with that level (or a tiny bit higher) of HP is close to $35-40K as a crate engine ... the LS7 spins to about 6500-7000rpm while the MB engine spins to like 8000rpm or something crazy like that. Also, when you buy a MB with that engine vs. a car with a LS* engine, the fuel difference in consumption is much better in the LS* car ... sorry, high tech is fun, but simple raw power will rule anyday.

There's a reason why a majority of aftermarket engine swaps are to the LS* powertrain (ever heard of a Ford modular in a EVO? ... someone did put a LS1 in a EVO!) and almost all offroad sandrails/buggies use LS1 derived engines for the few simple reasons that they make ridiculous HP with simple mods and they're cheap and simple and you don't have to stress them as much to get what you need.

Edited July 24, 2008 by Mean Green z28

[Pericles]

Well, its your area, so you should know, but just wanna double check one thing. Your saying fuel consumption in the 6.2 Merc V8 will be worse than the 6.2 Chevy LS* V8?

[Mean Green z28]

Well, its your area, so you should know, but just wanna double check one thing. Your saying fuel consumption in the 6.2 Merc V8 will be worse than the 6.2 Chevy LS* V8?

Corvette Z06 ... http://www.edmunds.com/new/2008/chevrolet/...0463/specs.html ... $71K

Base Number of Cylinders: 8

Base Engine Size: 7 liters

Base Engine Type: V8

Horsepower: 505 hp

Max Horsepower: 6300 rpm

Torque: 470 ft-lbs.

Max Torque: 4800 rpm

Drive Type: RWD

Fuel Tank Capacity: 18 gal.

EPA Mileage Estimates: (City/Highway)

Manual: 15 mpg / 24 mpg

Range in Miles: (City/Highway)

Manual: 270 mi. / 432 mi.

MB C63 AMG ... http://www.edmunds.com/new/2008/mercedesbe...5865/specs.html ... $53

Base Number of Cylinders: 8

Base Engine Size: 6.2 liters

Base Engine Type: V8

Horsepower: 451 hp

Max Horsepower: 6800 rpm

Torque: 443 ft-lbs.

Max Torque: 5000 rpm

Drive Type: RWD

Fuel Tank Capacity: 17.4 gal.

EPA Mileage Estimates: (City/Highway)

Automatic: : 12 mpg / 19 mpg

Range in Miles: (City/Highway)

Automatic: 208.8 mi. / 330.6 mi.

MB E63 AMG ... http://www.edmunds.com/new/2008/mercedesbe...1595/specs.html ... $85

Base Number of Cylinders: 8

Base Engine Size: 6.2 liters

Base Engine Type: V8

Horsepower: 507 hp

Max Horsepower: 6800 rpm

Torque: 465 ft-lbs.

Max Torque: 5200 rpm

Drive Type: RWD

Fuel Tank Capacity: 21.1 gal.

EPA Mileage Estimates: (City/Highway)

Automatic: : 12 mpg / 19 mpg

Range in Miles: (City/Highway)

Automatic: 253.2 mi. / 400.9 mi.

I think those figures themselves show how misunderstood the LS* platform really is. More/equal power at lower RPM's and better fuel economy ... Also, that is the LS7 (the most powerful engine out there by GM ... save the soon to be released supercharged engine in the ZR1) in the Corvette, not the lowly LS3 in the next gen. Camaro, that's getting those mileage figures. Even Honda (you know how they love spinning the high RPMs) realized they didn't need to wring their S2K so high in the RPM range and redesigned the engine with slightly higher capacity and lower max RPMs. Yes, high revving engines are cool and shyt, but not necessary and it gets boring after a while 'cos you have to be in the upper ranges all the time to get any sort of performance from it. Take it to the Nurburgring and the Vette is also faster around it than both those MB's ... I see a winner here. Okay, those are family cars, what about a sports car ... what about the SL65AMG? Same story ... Costs $185 (over twice the Corvette) and still can barely match/beat the Vette at everything but it's weight (and that's a bad thing), and it's a twin turbo V12 ... geeez! ... the Vette. also come with a 100,000mile/5year warranty while the best on a MB is 50,000/4yr.

Example on mileage: My friend's stock 2002 V6 Audi A4 gets about 18MPG on the highway while LS* cars with cams and headers/etc. with a good tune are getting somewhere in the 25MPG range on the highway regularly ... what gives? Sophisticated or too complicated? Everytime something goes wrong, it's a huge bill 'cos some electronic circuit went bad or one of those million sensors is acting up (always seems to be the case with European cars). Ofcourse, the interior in the Audi makes it all feel better 'cos its comfy and solid feeling ... atleast your wallet's gonna be much thinner, so it's not gonna be uncomfortable sitting on it on long drives.

Edited July 25, 2008 by Mean Green z28

[ferrarif50]

Concept and reality

http://jalopnik.com/399142/2010-chevy-cama...cept-to-reality

[Pericles]

OK, Surrender.

[Mean Green z28]

OK, Surrender.

lol

Also, just found the results from the Camaro out at the Nurburgring

NurburBring It On: 2010 Camaro Cuts a Hot Lap

Date posted: 07-22-2008

DETROIT — You can't launch a car with any aspirations of "performance" and not do your time at Germany's famed Nürburgring racetrack — it's just plain expected these days. So General Motors Corp. certainly wasn't about to shy away from the 'Ring with the sizzling new 2010 Chevrolet Camaro. At Monday's official unveiling of the production version of the new-age Camaro, Inside Line chased down a ranking Camaro engineer and asked for the crucial lap time.

Doug Houlihan, GM's chief engineer for global rear-wheel-drive vehicles (the architecture underneath the Camaro, the Pontiac G8 and all that blowsy, big-V8 Holden stuff from Australia, where the platform originates), coughed it right up: A Camaro SS ran the Nürburgring in 8:20.

A quick scan of an authoritative listing (it definitely looks authoritative, anyway) of Nürburgring lap times at supercars.net shows cars posting a lap time of 8:20 include the E36-generation BMW M3 in 1999, the Porsche 911 GT3 (993 generation) in the same year driven by 'Ring ace Walter Roehrl and stuff like the Audi RS6 in 2001. For a little extra perspective on that 8:20 lap time, GM recently boasted the coming '09 Corvette ZR1 did it in 7:26.4.

"We learned a few things," from the 'Ring session, says Houlihan, which led the Camaro development team to tire supplier Pirelli for some subtle changes that he says fine-tuned steering response and turn-in, and also resulted in some nitty-gritty tweaks for suspension settings — all of which will further improve the Camaro's on-road handling.

Houlihan also said all Camaros — V8 or V6 — will feature the best StabiliTrak stability control system GM can offer; the SS enjoys essentially the software from the Corvette's magnificent Active Handling system that we insist remains the world standard in performance-oriented stability control. The Camaro SS stability control will have a track mode, a performance mode and a setting that fully disables stability and traction control. Stability/traction control for all Camaros can be fully disabled, but Camaro SSs with the six-speed manual also get a launch control feature.

Houlihan also said the 2010 Camaro's coefficient of drag is an OK, but unremarkable 0.35 for the SS and 0.36 for the LS/LT V6 models. Ed Welburn, GM's vice president of global design, said it's tough to get super-slippery aero numbers for cars with full-width grilles and recessed headlights — design cues Welburn and his styling team insisted on, obviously, to deliver on the 2010 Camaro's retro promise.

We whined the RS appearance package that adds high-intensity discharge, "halo ring" headlamps, unique tail lamps, a rear spoiler and 20-inch wheels makes it almost impossible to distinguish a V8-packing Camaro from a V6 job. But for those of you who can spot the difference of an inch, Houlihan says there's one giveaway: the exhaust tips for the Camaro SS, which is V8 only, are 96mm (3.7 inches) in diameter. But LT Camaros (standard 3.6-liter V6) — even with the RS package — have exhaust tips that are just 3 inches in diameter.

What this means to you: The Nürburgring number proves even if it's a little heavy, a Camaro SS can run with some pretty exclusive company. And with 300 horsepower, the Camaro V6 doesn't exactly earn the "secretary car" stereotype, either. — Bill Visnic, Senior Editor, Edmunds AutoObserver

Edited July 25, 2008 by Mean Green z28

[Mean Green z28]

A lil perspective on the time.

6:55* Radical SR8

7:26.4* Chevrolet Corvette C6 ZR1

7:27.82* Pagani Zonda

7:29.03 Nissan GT-R

7:32.02* Porsche 911/997 GT2 2008

7:32.44 Porsche Carrera GT

7:34 Koenigsegg CCR

7:35 RUF RT12

7:40 Bugatti Veyron 16.4

7:40 Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren

7:40* Lamborghini Murcielago LP640

7:42 Ford GT

7:42 Porsche 911/997 GT3

7:42.99 Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06 Muggy Conditions

7:43 Porsche 911 GT3 RS

7:44 Pagani Zonda S

7:46 Porsche 911 GT2

7:47 Porsche 911 GT3 RS

7:47 Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano

7:47 Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 E-gear

7:50 BMW M3 CSL

7:50 BMW X5 E53 V12 LMR producing 750 bhp

7:54 Mercedes CLK DTM AMG

7:55 Caterham R500 Superlight

7:55 Ferrari F430 F1

7:56 Chevrolet Corvette C5 Z06

7:56 Honda NSX-R (NA2)

7:56 Porsche 911 Turbo

7:56 Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale f1

7:59* Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z51

7:59* Cadillac CTS-V/SC

7:59 Porsche 911 Carrera S

7:59 Nissan Skyline GT-R R33 V-Spec

7:59 Dodge Viper SRT-10

8:01 Nissan Skyline GT-R R33

8:02 Mercedes CLK 63 AMG - Black Series

8:03 Aston Martin V8 Vantage (2005)

8:03 Porsche 911 GT3

8:03 Honda NSX-R (NA1)

8:04 Audi R8

8:05 BMW M3 E92

8:06 Subaru WRX STi Spec-C

8:07 BMW Z8 E52

8:09 Audi RS4

8:09 BMW M6 E63

8:09 Honda NSX-R

8:10 Chrysler Viper GTS

8:13 BMW M5 E60

8:10 Chrysler Viper GTS

8:13 BMW M5 E60

8:13 Ferrari 355 GTB

8:20 Chevrolet Camaro SS

8:22 Chevrolet Cobalt SS 2008 2.0 Turbo

8:22 Nissan Skyline GT-R R32

8:22 BMW M3 E46

8:22 BMW M Coupe E36/7

8:24 Audi S5

8:24 Subaru Impreza

8:25 Lotus Exige S

8:25 Jaguar XKR

8:25 Porsche Cayman S

8:24 Mitsubishi Charisma GT Evo VI

8:25 Mitsubishi Charisma GT Evo VII

8:26 BMW 335i E92 Coupe

8:26 Nissan 350Z

8:28 Porsche 911 Carrera (993)

8:32 Porsche Boxster S

8:38 Honda NSX

8:39 Honda S2000

8:39 Mazdaspeed3(MPS)

8:40 Chevrolet Corvette C5 automatic

8:42 Lotus Exige Mk1

Keep in mind there are a CRAP LOAD of cars below this line, but i tried to keep it shortened for easy reading sake.

Look at those "performance" cars below the Camaro .. suddenly, the 8:20 time doesn't seem too shabby ... just goes to show how blisteringly fast the Nissan GT-R and the Corvette ZR1 are .. it's crazy!!!!

[Pericles]

The standard NSX is a full 12 seconds slower round the ring than the 350Z?? Oh my oh my....

I say, this SS is only 2 seconds faster than a 2.0l Turbo Cobalt!

And where are the Evo times. The scoobies are here, but no Evos.

[Mean Green z28]

The standard NSX is a full 12 seconds slower round the ring than the 350Z?? Oh my oh my....

I say, this SS is only 2 seconds faster than a 2.0l Turbo Cobalt!

And where are the Evo times. The scoobies are here, but no Evos.

Yeah, that's crazy that the Cobalt SS is so damn fast. It's a light car and handles really well for what it is and the power it has. Fastest FWD on the track ... crazy!

EVO IX = 8:11 ... NICE! ... Here's most of the other numbers, those seem to be just a few handpicked numbers ... http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThrea...0&tID=10073

...

More info on the 5th Gen. Camaro

Got these details off a thread at 5thgen.org !! (( I like how you know it's a RS/SS by the color of the SS being in red!! )) SWEET!!

1.The RS will be available on both the LT (V6) and SS (V8) models. The RS is strictly an exterior trim package.

2.HUD will not be available at the start of production. Mid December

3. Pricing will be announced later this year

4. There will be no push button start

5. "regarding bumblebee...stay tuned"

6. SS badging will appear on the front grille and rear deck, as well as in the interior. One unique note, if you get the RS package with the SS, the SS badges on the exterior will change from Silver to Red.

7. There are two different front facias for the LS/LT and SS model. The SS model with have an slit above the grille and a little bit different lower grille.

8. The slit on the SS is nonfunctional and is for appearance only

9. The convertible will be a soft top

10. "We think the Camaro will more than hold its own when a Mustang pulls up next to it."-John Fitzpatrick

11. Halo lighting is only available with the RS package

12. The Camaro will feature the optional OnStar Direction and Connection Package that will feature the most advanced navigational system available.

13. "We'll continue to review consumer demand for future colors. Stripes will be available from both the factory and GM Accessories. More details later date."

14. The light ring around the gauges is standard on all vehicles. In addition, there will be ambient light across the instrument panel that flows into the doors that matches the rings around the gauges. "We do have two colors - ice blue and red - however, you can not dial a different color like the Mustang."

15. "We have 18, 19 and 20 inch wheels in the Camaro wheels and they all have individual appearances. We have 20 inch wheels for the SS and V6 and V8 RS packs."

16. "The backseat design is more expressive than the Mustang (bolsters), and it's got more knee and head room than the Mustang. It's a better package."

17. The customer will be able to choose what color. We will offer all black, gray, gray option, tan option and the accent pack color which is a red-orange. The color will be on the A surface of the seat and the IP and door insert.

18. The RS headlights are a specific design with an HID function and halo light ring. The tail lamps have the same appearance with a slightly darker internal finish, but essentially, they have the same exterior design.

19. Four passenger vehicle

20. The Chevrolet bowtie emblem will only be available in gold. (no blue or red options)

21. There will be an option for a power sunroof available on both models.

22. The car is essentially steel, although for lighter efficiency, the hood is alloy. Throughout the car, particularly in the suspension, there are lighter materials.

23. (the afterburners effects we're talking about on the concept car). The LED detail on the concept car which we reproduced on the lens material on the production vehicle. They sparkle in the same way.

24. The tap shifting is set up to enable the driver to make the shift. It won't upshift for you. It sits on the red line so the driver is in control for upshifting. When you slow down, it will downshift for you, so if you're at a traffic light, it will downshift and you'll have to upshift. This gives the driver the ultimate performance control.

25. There will not be a flapper valve in the exhaust system like the Corvette. However, we have spent a tremendous amount of time to ensure the exhaust note on the V6 and V8 is outstanding. The exhaust tips will be routed “through the fascia” with a 96mm diameter on the V8 and a 75mm for the V6.

26. The cars top speed will be electronically limited. Top speed numbers will be announced at a later date.

27. 18 inch tires are all season AL-2 245/55R18. These are BF Goodrich. Stopping distance from 60 to 0 mph is an impressive 132 feet.

19 inch tires are all season AL-3 245/50R19. These are Perelli. Stopping distance from 60 to 0 mph is an impressive 125 feet.

20 inch tires are summer HW-4 245/45R20 front and 275/40R20 rear. Stopping distance from 60 to 0 mph is an impressive 117 feet.

28. Perelli is the supplier for the 20s

29. Performance numbers will be released as we get closer to production, but we're very happy with the test results.

30. For the V6, we have GM's 6L50 six-speed transmission and for the V8, we have the 6L80 six-speed trans.

31. The V6 is equipped with our FE2 suspension setting that provides opportunities for 18-inch 19-inch and 20-inch tires. On the RS package, we enable the customer to get the 245 front and 275 rear 20-inch tires coupled with the HID headlights and rear spoiler. This provides the ultimate exterior appearance on the V6.

32. StabiliTrak stability control system and traction control are standard on all models. Competitive/sport modes for the stability system are offered on the V8 SS models, including launch control on SS models equipped with the six-speed manual transmission.

33. You can go into the Driver Information Center (DIC) to activate the competitive sport mode and launch control as well as deactivate all to do some cool burnouts.

34. The V6 and V8 automatics have paddle-shifters on the back side of the steering wheel to allow the customer complete control of their shift points.

35. The V6 has dual exhausts with quad catalytic converters and 75 mm "through fascia" exhaust tips.

36. The AFM is done elecronically as we move from 8 cylinder to 4 cylinder mode or 4 cylinder to 8 cylinder mode. The manual transmission is mechanically in specific gears and does not allow us to electronically change from 4 cylinder to 8 cylinder mode.

37. Both the cloth and the leather seats have strong accent stitching. Our goal was to capture some of the detail of the heritage cars but do it in a contemporary fashion

Vids ... http://www.chevrolet.com/camaro/multimedia/ ... I love the ambient lighting on the dash.

Edited July 25, 2008 by Mean Green z28

[dillongt]

Chevrolet Camaro's nightmare is already hit the road in here.......

[GearHead]

Camaro Grilles Cracking At High Speed? - http://jalopnik.com/5238125/camaro-grilles...g-at-high-speed

First Camaro Crap-Out Comes 40 Miles From Dealership - http://jalopnik.com/5232715/first-camaro-c...from-dealership

2010 Chevy Camaro Gets Mysterious Brake Weights - http://jalopnik.com/5222908/2010-chevy-cam...ights#c12344766