Tata Nano - First Drive

[Devinda_Z]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhsnPOudWJA

OT i know,

very Madonna-ish me thinks...

[Supra_Natural]

i think this thread explains what the tata nano is. truly unmemorable

Dude, let's at least make a token effort here eh? Its not like we dont have a thread for going completely OT, it's called "Post Whoring", and sometimes IMO we should make more use of it....

And it isnt really entirely fair to call the Nano "Unmemorable" or "Boring" quite yet.... for one thing, Nobody here has driven it as yet, and for another, it truly IS offering a new concept in motoring. After all, they never intended to make a seat-of-the-pants driving machine here, the concept was always cheap and cheerful, and they've faithfully stuck to it. Personally I think this car will do well.

[GihanFX]

And it isnt really entirely fair to call the Nano "Unmemorable" or "Boring" quite yet.... for one thing, Nobody here has driven it as yet, and for another, it truly IS offering a new concept in motoring. After all, they never intended to make a seat-of-the-pants driving machine here, the concept was always cheap and cheerful, and they've faithfully stuck to it. Personally I think this car will do well.

if the price is low, even its a boring car i want one then i dnt have to worry abt propere parking etc,

[madmax]

if the price is low, even its a boring car i want one then i dnt have to worry abt propere parking etc,

According to what I've read it's half the price of a Maruti 800 in India. If the same calculation is valid here, it would cost around Rs.500k-600K isn't it?

[Supra_Natural]

According to what I've read it's half the price of a Maruti 800 in India. If the same calculation is valid here, it would cost around Rs.500k-600K isn't it?

that sounds about right... you can be certain the boys at the top wont make it easy to sell the nano, since it's going to provide competition for their... ahem "Investment"(Micro).... unless of course India does some arm-twisting, which I hope they do.

[GihanFX]

According to what I've read it's half the price of a Maruti 800 in India. If the same calculation is valid here, it would cost around Rs.500k-600K isn't it?

if its under 6 then its awesome

[JadeyBlitzen]

guys i just read on another forum the price is going to be 800k. if thats right (which i believe it is, thanks to our 350% taxes) i'm struggling to figure out where the car fits in. basically its going to be just a fashion statement at the moment. cos its a car the whole worlds been raving on about and its a fresh design apart from the micro and the smart. but what i'm more concerned about here is how long will that novelty last. and would the sort of people who buy marutis brand new *cough*berk*cough* will switch to a glorified motorcycle of a car.

[Pericles]

Sounds like the De Soysa's sold out their A*W shares at just the right time A*W Maruti sales should be hit hard if does.

[JadeyBlitzen]

Sounds like the De Soysa's sold out their A*W shares at just the right time A*W Maruti sales should be hit hard if does.

they'll surely be hard hit. but isnt this supposed to be cheaper than a maruti? or is it because the demand is high?

[Devinda_Z]

i don't know if it'll be all that much of a threat straight off given the fact that there is an issue of production capacity - the Indians are more than likely to focus on catering to domestic demand at the offset before giving priority to a small export market like ours..

[Pericles]

they'll surely be hard hit. but isnt this supposed to be cheaper than a maruti? or is it because the demand is high?

The demand will be high coz it'll be cheaper than a Maruti

i don't know if it'll be all that much of a threat straight off given the fact that there is an issue of production capacity - the Indians are more than likely to focus on catering to domestic demand at the offset before giving priority to a small export market like ours..

Someone said D*MO plans on getting 50 units a month. How large do you think the new small car market is in SL?

Besides, you consider why people buy marutis? Simply economics. Its the cheapest thing to buy and run. Aint for the love of driving. If your economics dictate you buy the cheapest thing available, then all those potential Maruti buyers instantly convert into Nano buyers.

Granted, IF D*MO does get those 50 units. That'll be 50 potential sales lost to A*W right off.

Edited March 30, 2009 by Pericles

[JadeyBlitzen]

The demand will be high coz it'll be cheaper than a Maruti

Someone said D*MO plans on getting 50 units a month. How large do you think the new small car market is in SL?

Besides, you consider why people buy marutis? Simply economics. Its the cheapest thing to buy and run. Aint for the love of driving. If your economics dictate you buy the cheapest thing available, then all those potential Maruti buyers instantly convert into Nano buyers.

Granted, IF D*MO does get those 50 units. That'll be 50 potential sales lost to A*W right off.

first of all how much does the maruti retail at?

secondly i never understood the mentality of people who buy marutis brand new (mainly cos at that price range they can buy a 2nd hand japanese car) and cos i'd rather let the 1st owner take the initial hit of depreciation thanks very much.

[Pericles]

More than 1 mill, AFAIK. This Nano could hardly be lower quality. Assuming both cars are even on the quality front, the lower pricing should see the Nano take over.

[Supra_Natural]

CAR Magazine Reviews TATA Nano

Tata Nano (2009) new CAR test review

By Amit Chhangani

23 March 2009 16:09

At last we’ve driven the new Tata Nano. The world’s cheapest car is launched today in India – and CAR was there to bag a drive in the new Nano that’s rocked our very notion of affordable transport for the masses.

It’s a car that creates huge interest, especially on the crowded streets of India. Not bad for a car that’s cheaper than some lawnmowers in its home nation. We don’t blame the crowds that form around the Nano. This is a car that could revolutionise the way Indians get around. And it sure looks intriguing.

The Nano is rear-engined, so you get air intakes nestling in the recess behind the rear doors. The tiny two-cylinder engine is claustrophobically packaged, so each and every means of extracting the hot air is used by the engineers, including a vent built into the rear valance.

Tata Nano: the first impressions

Before we progress to on-road dynamics, take a moment to soak up the Nano’s weird proportions. It’s tall and narrow, and a little bit odd. It’s not even a hatchback – the rear window is glued to the bodyshell – and that sharply raked front windscreen provides an unusual, wee face.

The packaging also frees up more space for bodies inside. With no engine up front, the centre console, steering wheel and driver’s seat can be pushed forward by a few good inches, releasing hundreds of litres of space for the back benchers.

And it’s absolutely vast inside the Nano. The tall-boy design affords generous headroom and a great view out. Throw in four big windows to allow ample air and light, and the Nano easily becomes one of the most spacious small hatchbacks around.

Doesn’t the Nano feel a bit cheap inside?

The Nano’s is certainly simple and functional. There are a few cubbyholes for journeyman clutter, but no glovebox, the seats feel thin and the quality of plastics is a step down from European minis but absolutely fine when compared with a moped.

How does the new Tata Nano drive?

If we’re being honest, we didn’t expect great things from the Nano dynamically. The key figures are minute – 35 horsepower and pound feet – but don’t forget the Nano weighs a lightweight 600kg, some 250kg lighter than most rivals.

And peak torque is produced in a lowly 2500-4000rpm band, while many sub-litre class cars need thrashing to rental levels to keep up. Turn the ignition on, and you’re met with more engine noise than you’re accustomed to. Blame the omnipresent cost cutting and almost total lack of any NVH reducing materials. It isn’t intrusive or disturbing though.

Engaging first gear and putting the car in motion is slightly tricky as the clutch takes getting used to. You have to balance throttle and clutch pedal carefully in the Nano, but once in motion it drives like a proper car, busting all the popular misconceptions about its unrefined, crude traits.

What are the Tata Nano’s controls like?

The four-speed cable actuated synchromesh gearbox is surprisingly slick, considering the penny-pinching ethos of the Nano. The gearchange is smooth, slick and precise, the long shifter stick is a joy to operate. We drove a Skoda Fabia to the Nano launch – but the Tata’s transmission compares favourably: not quite as fluid or buttery, but smooth and precise nonetheless.

Source: CAR Magazine

[Supra_Natural]

Continued

Tata Nano: the performance

On the move, the Nano pulls reasonably well for the puny 600cc engine that powers it. Good acceleration is the last thing you should be expecting from the world’s cheapest car, but the Nano moves ahead with reassurance.

The engine always supplies enough grunt to make the car build speed steadily and allows it to cruise very comfortably at 50mph on highways even with four on board and the (optional) air-con on full blast. Even on flyovers, fully laden, the Nano doesn’t feel as if it’s running out of breath.

It has the torque to keep the speedo needle climbing up, slowly but steadily nonetheless. Mind you, this is all relative. The Nano takes about half a minute to reach 62mph, and that’s pretty much its maximum speed. That may sound like a lifetime to many, but for someone looking for a practical mode of transport in India, there’s nothing to complain about. V-max is in fact limited to 65mph – and you won’t want to stay there for long, as the service and temperature light in the instrumentation started blinking furiously. Don’t try your luck too far…

Tata Nano: it’s all about the tractability

The true litmus test of the Nano’s performance is its ability to pull reassuringly from low speeds in high gears, even when fully loaded. And it sure is tractabile! With the thermometer needle nudging 42 degrees in Pune and the air-con on full blast and four 80kg adults on board, we still didn’t defeat the tiny Nano.

From 20mph, the Nano pulled without a sign of splutter or resistance. Sure, speeds built up painfully slowly, but you get there in the end. There's a pronounced engine boom in the cabin around 45mph, but it’s perfectly tolerable. Moreover, every time you think the car is making a lot of noise, just remind yourself of the money you have paid for it and your complaints will subside.

Tata's engineers say they plan to introduce a five-speed transmission version (with a pair of disc brakes at the front wheels) very soon. With the fifth cog in place, the ratio for fourth can be shortened which will hopefully do away with the engine boom in the cabin.

Tata Nano: the handling test

Being a 600kg car, the Nano doesn’t require a power steering. Which is a good job, as it's not even optional. Manoeuvring the Nano in the city with its incredibly low turning radius and the four wheels at the four corners of the body is a breeze, although low-speed wheelwork can feel like hard work.

The car changes direction instantly, giving auto rickshaws with their direction-changing abilities of a housefly, a run for their money. The effort required to turn the car reduces hugely once the Nano gets to speed. Even minute inputs to the steering wheel make the car change direction rather overenthusiastically, a tad precariously at times especially at higher speeds.

A tipply-topply tallboy then?

Sort of. The Nano doesn’t feel too stable once it nears its top speed. Sudden direction changes make it go all wobbly and shaky – and those minuscule 12-inch wheels don't make this a car to throw around a handling circuit. Brake hard and the car’s rear tries its bit to move out of line, as we realised during our brake test. And this was the case with the top of the line variant of the Nano which comes equipped with brake boosters, unlike the base variant which doesn’t have the feature.

The suspension is generally on the stiff side. The springs are well sorted but the damping needs a bit of tweaking to prevent the suspension emanating a disturbing thud every time the car hits a pothole (of which there are many on Indian roads). The harshness of the suspension won’t bide well for its longevity either. No wonder the warranty is for 18 months or 24,000 kilometres.

Tata Nano: CAR's road test verdict

We spent seven hours with the Nano and drove it on all kinds of surfaces to understand its qualities and quirks to the last detail. By the end of the drive, we were mighty impressed with the car’s virtues especially the liberal space, the comfort, the fuel efficiency (28kmpl on the highway and 20kmpl in the city), the slick gearshift, the pulling capabilities at low speeds in high gears and the level of refinement for a price so cheap.

Downsides include its dodgy stability at high speeds and under harsh braking, plus stiff suspension that's way too thuddy for such a small car. But we can forgive it these glitches the moment we remember its price of £1500.

The Nano remains a phenomenal feat achieved by Tata Motors. It has ingenuity and cleverness stamped all across its body and it holds true to its promise of redefining low cost motoring.

The real test of the Nano will begin now, on real world Indian roads and with rather ‘unreal’ Indian drivers behind its wheel. If it manages to survive this ultimate torture test, the Nano will bring the world under Tata’s feet. Yes, for the price, the Nano is that good.

Statistics

How much? £1,400

Engine: 624cc 2cyl, 35bhp @ 5250rpm, 35lb ft @ 3000rpm

Transmission: Four-speed manual, rear-wheel drive

Performance: 30.0sec 0-60mph, 65mph, 60mpg, 101g/km CO2 (est)

How heavy / made of? 600kg/steel

How big (length/width/height in mm)? 3100/1500/1600

[Supra_Natural]

CAR magazine appears to have done a far more In-depth test drive of the thing than Autocar India has, AI's piece sounded more like a paid PR announcement.... CAR does seem to honestly like it though.... although they too DO have an indian edition now, so they also may not want to risk pissing off the mighty TATA (Esp considering Jag and Land Rover). But I've generally found them to be reliable in the past.

Looks like the nano is quite decent after all eh chaps?

[Pericles]

Depends on what you mean by "Decent". Since I am physically unable to drive a maruti (Don't fit in the drivers seat), I doubt I'll find the Nano any better (even smaller, I think?) so no, I don't think its decent

[Supra_Natural]

Depends on what you mean by "Decent". Since I am physically unable to drive a maruti (Don't fit in the drivers seat), I doubt I'll find the Nano any better (even smaller, I think?) so no, I don't think its decent

Decent as in fulfills the purpose it was intended for without cutting too many dangerous corners...

however, note that in that article, they mention that it had plenty of room for tall people, so you never know...

Guess we'll just have to wait and see though

[xXx]

that sounds about right... you can be certain the boys at the top wont make it easy to sell the nano, since it's going to provide competition for their... ahem "Investment"(Micro).... unless of course India does some arm-twisting, which I hope they do.

doubt micro will bother too much as they have now catapolt themselves to different market segment with the ssang yongs. still with the 'gods hand' at their disposal will try their best to minimize any automotive competition

as peri has put it, if the price is 100 – 200k less than the maruti 800 A*W is in trouble me think. But then again considering the current situation can people afford to change or buy a new car even at that price??????

[xXx]

secondly i never understood the mentality of people who buy marutis brand new (mainly cos at that price range they can buy a 2nd hand japanese car) and cos i'd rather let the 1st owner take the initial hit of depreciation thanks very much.

i think most of the customer base are the types of people who like to buy things new and don't rule out the temptation for a newer number plate.

[xXx]

Sounds like the De Soysa's sold out their A*W shares at just the right time A*W Maruti sales should be hit hard if does.

yup De Soysa's couldn't have got the timing any better. last i heard local Maruti sales have dipped sharply hence the reason to introduce the mouth watering finance scheme 'buy now pay in 6 months'. heard the same fate is suffered by Indicas

[JadeyBlitzen]

i think most of the customer base are the types of people who like to buy things new and don't rule out the temptation for a newer number plate.

ghey!

nevertheless i wonder if the 1 box design will quite catch on. cos its easier to sell ice to eskimos than flog a radical car to the sri lankans. the A classe never caught on, the vitz never enjoyed the sales success of its predecessor the starlet, and the smart-esque micro was sold in a few dozens. now its the turn of the nano. i guess only time will tell

[Le Sabre]

Looks like the Tata Nano the cheapest car in the world is not going to be that cheap after taxes in srilanka.

Any news of the micro MX9 model or when it will hit the market in SL.

[xXx]

ghey!

nevertheless i wonder if the 1 box design will quite catch on. cos its easier to sell ice to eskimos than flog a radical car to the sri lankans. the A classe never caught on, the vitz never enjoyed the sales success of its predecessor the starlet, and the smart-esque micro was sold in a few dozens. now its the turn of the nano. i guess only time will tell

hmmm...... i'm thinking about your comment on the vitz sales figures and i think it did ok. i don't think it was that much of a flop. people loved the digital spedo.

A calss was way over priced for the average joe and Micro, well it was made in SL so there were lot of question marks about its build quality. plus that was the same time those batta vans swamped the market and they had a similar price tag and they were made in japan and they were 'rumored' to do insanely well on fuel

[xXx]

guys i just read on another forum the price is going to be 800k. if thats right (which i believe it is, thanks to our 350% taxes) i'm struggling to figure out where the car fits in. basically its going to be just a fashion statement at the moment. cos its a car the whole worlds been raving on about and its a fresh design apart from the micro and the smart. but what i'm more concerned about here is how long will that novelty last. and would the sort of people who buy marutis brand new *cough*berk*cough* will switch to a glorified motorcycle of a car.

are you kidding me man, nano a fashion statement!!!!!!!! i highly doubt it. only reason the whole world is talking about it is because of its groundbreaking cost cutting. reminds me of the $100 laptop concept in the 90's. if tata manages to keep the price down the car will be a hit among the less fortunate till a competitor comes with a similar concept. i can just picture all the hero honda biker boys switching over.