Quick Trivia 3

[Gummybr]

  On 9/21/2023 at 9:17 AM, matroska said:

looks very similar to the Cefiro station wagon it even has that little notch. But the light is the deal-breaker here.

Expand  

Could have been a Primera going by the door line but doesnt seem so the Tail Light puts me off

[matroska]

Well this was quite a leatherhunt - but I think i finally have it and learned about a model I had no idea about. Thanks to wikipedia. Apparently this is something called a Nissan R'nessa.  Nissan simply had too many models  

[sathyajithj99]

  On 9/21/2023 at 12:14 PM, matroska said:

Well this was quite a leatherhunt - but I think i finally have it and learned about a model I had no idea about. Thanks to wikipedia. Apparently this is something called a Nissan R'nessa.  Nissan simply had too many models  

Expand  

Correct. A few models for sale at the moment

[matroska]

Alrighty then here's the next one 

[iRage]

  On 9/21/2023 at 12:14 PM, matroska said:

Well this was quite a leatherhunt - but I think i finally have it and learned about a model I had no idea about. Thanks to wikipedia. Apparently this is something called a Nissan R'nessa.  Nissan simply had too many models  

Expand  

Well...Japanese manufacturers are known to have 20-50 models in the JDM sphere. Most are derived out of the same platform. The variations in models were either to attract a certain customer base or increase market reach through different sales channels.

Now the R'Nessa. Disaster of a vehicle for Nissan. They had plans for 5000 or something units of monthly sales but right off the bat started with around 1000. I remember the Japanese media being harsh towards the end as Nissan was selling only a few dozen of the model towards the end. Mechanically the car is brilliant. Has the usual Nissan SR engines and has drive trains typically found with SR engines.

It was the interior design and concept. Ideologically. Wonderful. Execution...really bad. It has what Nissan calls Limousine Seats. So typical plush seats and both front seats can be rotated to face the back seat. Two problems emerged. Because of the way the driver's seat had to be mounted to accommodate the rotation, apparently there really was no way to have a good driving position. You were either too far or too close or in a very awkward position. It was the same case with the front passenger seat but was bearable since there was no steering wheel and pedals. The biggest criticism of the car was the rear seat belts. Because of how the pillars (C) were positioned, the rear seat had to be in a very specific place for the seatbelts to be easily and safely worn in the back. If the seat was too front, the seatbelt would either be running too low across your chest or across your neck. If the seat was too back then the seatbelt would just be too loose (look at the attached pick and give it a bit of a think).

 

[Gummybr]

  On 9/22/2023 at 5:47 AM, iRage said:

Well...Japanese manufacturers are known to have 20-50 models in the JDM sphere. Most are derived out of the same platform. The variations in models were either to attract a certain customer base or increase market reach through different sales channels.

Now the R'Nessa. Disaster of a vehicle for Nissan. They had plans for 5000 or something units of monthly sales but right off the bat started with around 1000. I remember the Japanese media being harsh towards the end as Nissan was selling only a few dozen of the model towards the end. Mechanically the car is brilliant. Has the usual Nissan SR engines and has drive trains typically found with SR engines.

It was the interior design and concept. Ideologically. Wonderful. Execution...really bad. It has what Nissan calls Limousine Seats. So typical plush seats and both front seats can be rotated to face the back seat. Two problems emerged. Because of the way the driver's seat had to be mounted to accommodate the rotation, apparently there really was no way to have a good driving position. You were either too far or too close or in a very awkward position. It was the same case with the front passenger seat but was bearable since there was no steering wheel and pedals. The biggest criticism of the car was the rear seat belts. Because of how the pillars (C) were positioned, the rear seat had to be in a very specific place for the seatbelts to be easily and safely worn in the back. If the seat was too front, the seatbelt would either be running too low across your chest or across your neck. If the seat was too back then the seatbelt would just be too loose (look at the attached pick and give it a bit of a think).

 

Expand  

I saw the video of the car for sale is Sri Lanka and was wondering whether Nissan absolutely nailed the sliding rear seats and the space the rear passengers had. It's only nowadays that this feature is appreciated.

Also saw how the gear leaver is on the steering column, maybe that was to free space for the seats to be rotated.

For me it would have been a fine car with 4wd and ground clearance. But it looked more of a car that had a mix match of parts. The doors seemed to be off a Primera, the front lights off a Avenir. Dashboard looks fresh. A bit of pulsar look to it as well.

[iRage]

  On 9/22/2023 at 6:04 AM, Gummybr said:

I saw the video of the car for sale is Sri Lanka and was wondering whether Nissan absolutely nailed the sliding rear seats and the space the rear passengers had. It's only nowadays that this feature is appreciated.

Expand  

Idea wise the car was pretty much ahead of its time. During the period most of the rotating seat cabins were limited to larger wagons ike HiAces, Town/Lite Aces, etc... its just that the execution was off. Like you said..mix of mismatched parts and soe strage design choices that compromised on practicality.

[sathyajithj99]

  On 9/22/2023 at 4:02 AM, matroska said:

Alrighty then here's the next one 

Expand  

Force Traveller mini bus

[matroska]

  On 9/22/2023 at 5:47 AM, iRage said:

Well...Japanese manufacturers are known to have 20-50 models in the JDM sphere. Most are derived out of the same platform. The variations in models were either to attract a certain customer base or increase market reach through different sales channels.

Now the R'Nessa. Disaster of a vehicle for Nissan. They had plans for 5000 or something units of monthly sales but right off the bat started with around 1000. I remember the Japanese media being harsh towards the end as Nissan was selling only a few dozen of the model towards the end. Mechanically the car is brilliant. Has the usual Nissan SR engines and has drive trains typically found with SR engines.

It was the interior design and concept. Ideologically. Wonderful. Execution...really bad. It has what Nissan calls Limousine Seats. So typical plush seats and both front seats can be rotated to face the back seat. Two problems emerged. Because of the way the driver's seat had to be mounted to accommodate the rotation, apparently there really was no way to have a good driving position. You were either too far or too close or in a very awkward position. It was the same case with the front passenger seat but was bearable since there was no steering wheel and pedals. The biggest criticism of the car was the rear seat belts. Because of how the pillars (C) were positioned, the rear seat had to be in a very specific place for the seatbelts to be easily and safely worn in the back. If the seat was too front, the seatbelt would either be running too low across your chest or across your neck. If the seat was too back then the seatbelt would just be too loose (look at the attached pick and give it a bit of a think).

 

Expand  

very interesting narrative - Nissan has always fascinated me as an automaker who were at times quite innovative and flawed  at the same time- like a slightly mad brilliant scientist inventing something brilliant but also overlooking something obvious. The 90's when this came out  was the beginning of the slide for them wasn't it? Kind of sad - it was the Datsuns that gave Japanese cars a global foothold and even in Sri Lanka Nissans apparently dominated the markets along with Mitsu decades ago. 

[sathyajithj99]

  On 9/22/2023 at 12:56 PM, sathyajithj99 said:

Force Traveller mini bus

Expand  

@matroska can you please confirm my answer?

[matroska]

  On 9/23/2023 at 5:44 PM, sathyajithj99 said:

@matroska can you please confirm my answer?

Expand  

Yes - I have tried to upload the answer via mobile and for some reason failed. It is indeed the Force Traveler minibus - the few specimens I have seen were school buses. 

 

[sathyajithj99]

I hope someone will identify this today

[matroska]

  On 9/25/2023 at 6:00 AM, sathyajithj99 said:

I hope someone will identify this today

Expand  

I saw one in the same color for sale in an FB Group   so i think I can answer this question TODAY 😉 

[sathyajithj99]

  On 9/25/2023 at 7:37 AM, matroska said:

I saw one in the same color for sale in an FB Group   so i think I can answer this question TODAY 😉 

Expand  

Correct. 

[iRage]

  On 9/25/2023 at 7:37 AM, matroska said:

I saw one in the same color for sale in an FB Group   so i think I can answer this question TODAY 😉 

Expand  

Did you know that the TODAY had a longer wheelbase than the CR-X ? Today : 2330mm and CR-X : 2200mm

As a result the track to wheelbase ratio of the TODAY made it more grounded than the CR-X. However, the TODAY did have a larger turning radius because of it.

[matroska]

...and here's the next one

 

Edited September 26, 2023 by matroska
removed a clue that would have made it obvious

[iRage]

  On 9/26/2023 at 7:52 AM, matroska said:

...and here's the next one

 

Expand  

That looks a lot like a Daihatsu Taft jeep/truck. I don't thikn we have any Toyota Blizzards

[matroska]

  On 9/26/2023 at 10:59 AM, iRage said:

That looks a lot like a Daihatsu Taft jeep/truck. I don't thikn we have any Toyota Blizzards

Expand  

 

Correct - Intriguing machine-a tiny car with a 2.7 L diesel engine - never been in one though. 

[iRage]

So most of the car is shows so shouldn't be too difficult. Will accept either brand hailing from different sides of the planet; as both are available in SL (one more than the other).

[iRage]

  On 9/26/2023 at 12:36 PM, matroska said:

Correct - Intriguing machine-a tiny car with a 2.7 L diesel engine - never been in one though. 

Expand  

Well....back in the day a 2.8 (? I thought it was) diesel engine, 1.6L petrol were actually not tiny. Perhaps at the time the norm would have been the 1L petrol which I doubt we got. Even size wise, for the time it was mid-size, and something like the J40 Land Cruiser the large size. Even though it was 2.8/2.7 I am pretty certain the power output was around 70 0r 80 hp. I believe some markets got turbo variants which pushed that to about 110hp. 

Quite bouncy. The rear suspension was very simple and primitive in today's standards. But feels like you can drive through a wall of rocks. Never driven one. But judging by the ride, it was pretty nippy. Even with 70 or 80hp considering the weight of the thing, it is no suprise I suppose.

Some Ministries and even banks got a few fleets of these things. I recall almost all (at least the govt. ones) were dark green and had a hardtop and a few Ministries got them in truck form as well. My aunt worked for whoever were doing the Mahaweli project and that had the trucks, hardtops and a few soft tops.

[matroska]

  On 9/27/2023 at 8:20 AM, iRage said:

Even though it was 2.8/2.7 I am pretty certain the power output was around 70 0r 80 hp. I believe some markets got turbo variants which pushed that to about 110hp.

Expand  

aha  yes the older diesels produced less power then again these would have been relatively light so this would have been a fun drive. 

 

  On 9/27/2023 at 8:20 AM, iRage said:

My aunt worked for whoever were doing the Mahaweli project and that had the trucks, hardtops and a few soft tops

Expand  

Fancy that - my aunt worked for Mahaveli (Authority was the correct name I think) and her official vehicle was a Mitsu Jeep still remember the sound of the raucous diesel engine : and I remember as a kid,  wondering how primitive the jeep was (and this was in the late 90's  -when the most sophisticated car I knew was a Toyota Tercel with power shutters and an automatic gear box ) 

[iRage]

Since the trivia car post has gotten flooded by trivia knowledge...here it is again...

So most of the car is shows so shouldn't be too difficult. Will accept either brand hailing from different sides of the planet; as both are available in SL (one more than the other).

[matroska]

  On 10/3/2023 at 12:10 AM, iRage said:

Since the trivia car post has gotten flooded by trivia knowledge...here it is again...

So most of the car is shows so shouldn't be too difficult. Will accept either brand hailing from different sides of the planet; as both are available in SL (one more than the other).

Expand  

My initial guesses were from fiat, ford and opel - and a visual check on these models show some differences with this picture - so another clue would do good. BTWwhere's  @Gummybr ?

Edited October 6, 2023 by matroska

[iRage]

Here is another picture clue in that case.... @matroska got the continent right

Sorry I couldn't find the exact car I posted before...

[Gummybr]

  On 10/6/2023 at 11:20 PM, iRage said:

Here is another picture clue in that case.... @matroska got the continent right

Sorry I couldn't find the exact car I posted before...

Expand  

Been having issues posting as my posts never get published.

The previous version was also made in Japan by a brand now well-known for their diesel engines. Another version is has a famous sewing machine name?

Edited October 9, 2023 by Gummybr