New Models Launched By Uml

Pericles · June 22, 2015

Latest agent supported vehicles launched by UML

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10153133285193101.1073741869.9878643100&type=3

My pics

They claim 50kmpl for that Outlander PHEV. I've seen some outlandish claims on this vehicle. Whats the verdict? Is this number achieved with a certain amount of off-the-grid charging?

MasterDon · June 22, 2015

Looks like you were only interested in one particular model...you dog...what a cutie tho.good taste

Edited June 22, 2015 by MasterDon

Pericles · June 22, 2015

On 6/22/2015 at 5:19 AM, MasterDon said:
Looks like you were only interested in one particular model...you dog...what a cutie tho.good taste

I don't publish everything I take

Nah man, they requested a few extra photos, So who was I to say no? Thats why it pays to know people, I knew one from before.

The Don · June 22, 2015

I think those are the usual manufacturer quoted figures in ideal driving conditions. I don't think it can probably only achieve that in a slow city run. They are proving quite popular in the UK due to very low benefit of kind tax. This is the tax you pay if you have a company car.

What is the brand new launch price though?

madmax · June 22, 2015

Mitsubishi's got to be the most boring Japanese brand now they don't make the Evo anymore. They're almost out of the US market. Models are meh... except for the one that Peri seems to have shot a little more than the others. The imported talent is at its worse! And Natasha's gym routine is obviously not working LOL...

Pericles · June 22, 2015

Max, everyone knows that Sri Lanka isn't Florida.

Also stop perving on that kid, she's just 19.

Pericles · June 22, 2015

On 6/22/2015 at 12:22 PM, The Don said:
I think those are the usual manufacturer quoted figures in ideal driving conditions. I don't think it can probably only achieve that in a slow city run. They are proving quite popular in the UK due to very low benefit of kind tax. This is the tax you pay if you have a company car.
What is the brand new launch price though?

I think with PHEVs in particular, better to see what Rupees per KM cost is, over just the mileage cost, which only factors in the petrol. Which I know is tough due to the usage band charge system we have, but I'm sure someone can factor what kind of band a household that can afford this would fall into and give a start point from there.

The Don · June 23, 2015

On 6/22/2015 at 5:16 PM, madmax said:
Mitsubishi's got to be the most boring Japanese brand now they don't make the Evo anymore. They're almost out of the US market. Models are meh... except for the one that Peri seems to have shot a little more than the others. The imported talent is at its worse! And Natasha's gym routine is obviously not working LOL...

Madmax, Toyots is a very boring brand, but it is also one of the most profitable. Mitsubishi is not in the best place at the moment. The Evo was popular, but it didn't really make a lot of money. They have sold their truck division to Daimler AG and they are probably reliant on their light trucks and 4WD vehicles for revenue.

I think the Evo will be back in time, probably as a performance oriented hybrid. I just hope the brand survives as an independent, rather than be gobbled up like Nissan was by Renault. They are doing a lot better financially, but Nissan seems to have lost its DNA......

Davy · June 24, 2015

Read this a few weeks back when I was looking into the Evo - Final Edition:

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Speaking to Autocar earlier this year, Mitsubishi's global boss Tetsuro Aikawa said: “In the future, we would like to launch such a vehicle with Evo characteristics. In Japanese, when you pronounce ‘Oh’ [in Evo], it means ‘king’. So we would like to launch this type of car, featuring EV and PHEV technology, which is the ultimate of its kind. ‘EV’ for electric vehicle, ‘O’ for king - Evo.”

Source

So it's going to be a SUV with an "Evo" badge... if you call that "making a comeback".

Pericles · June 24, 2015

On 6/24/2015 at 1:24 AM, Davy said:
Read this a few weeks back when I was looking into the Evo - Final Edition:
Source

So it's going to be a SUV with an "Evo" badge... if you call that "making a comeback".

The Pajero Evo's already exist. It makes a certain amount of sense to put it in the SUV class, bigger body to hold the extra components and a bigger motor to offset the weight gain.

Pericles · June 24, 2015

On 6/23/2015 at 9:17 AM, The Don said:
I think the Evo will be back in time, probably as a performance oriented hybrid. I just hope the brand survives as an independent, rather than be gobbled up like Nissan was by Renault. They are doing a lot better financially, but Nissan seems to have lost its DNA......

Ah, c'mon man. Nismo even put three cars in Le Mans this year, in LMP1. They are running Super GT, the GT3 European circuit and the GTR won Bathhurst after a long time this year. The visibility is a lot better than it was in the early 2000s.

MasterDon · June 24, 2015

On 6/24/2015 at 4:05 AM, Pericles said:
Ah, c'mon man. Nismo even put three cars in Le Mans this year, in LMP1. They are running Super GT, the GT3 European circuit and the GTR won Bathhurst after a long time this year. The visibility is a lot better than it was in the early 2000s.

Have to agree with this.Nissan were going nowhere before Renault and Ghosn.

Pericles · June 24, 2015

Back on topic, Natasha Ratnayaka takes the same pics on posts it on her FB fan page, 300 likes. autoLanka album, 9 likes.

C'mon!

MV-5 · June 24, 2015

On 6/22/2015 at 5:11 AM, Pericles said:
Latest agent supported vehicles launched by UML
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10153133285193101.1073741869.9878643100&type=3

My pics

They claim 50kmpl for that Outlander PHEV. I've seen some outlandish claims on this vehicle. Whats the verdict? Is this number achieved with a certain amount of off-the-grid charging?

kmpl value for a Plugin hybrid? how to define?

Pericles · June 24, 2015

On 6/24/2015 at 5:47 AM, MV-5 said:
kmpl value for a Plugin hybrid? how to define?

Well you can. It DOES have a petrol burning engine too, after all. The worry is that it might not give a proper accurate picture.

MV-5 · June 24, 2015

On 6/24/2015 at 12:25 PM, Pericles said:
Well you can. It DOES have a petrol burning engine too, after all. The worry is that it might not give a proper accurate picture.

yeah, that's my point, since this has two external power sources and measure a consumption of only one power source make no sense.

I think there might be some definition (criteria ), ex: KMPL value with fully charged battery without having intermediate charging, or some conversion to KWH to L (i am not kidding :-) ).

Crosswind · June 24, 2015

My Fiat Punto used to indicate 50km/litre on the trip computer whenever I used to cruise downhill.. I should have claimed it does 50km/litre (by Unimo standards) when I advertised it

The Don · June 24, 2015

On 6/24/2015 at 4:05 AM, Pericles said:
Ah, c'mon man. Nismo even put three cars in Le Mans this year, in LMP1. They are running Super GT, the GT3 European circuit and the GTR won Bathhurst after a long time this year. The visibility is a lot better than it was in the early 2000s.

True, but the question is are they Nissan. I open up a Nissan these days and I see Renault parts, Renaullt technology. I'm glad the company has survived and their product offering has improved and its got a presence in motor sport, but my question is what is specific to Nissan about it...

The problem Nissan and Renault has is that in a lot of markets they directly compete with each other. Renault has tried to position itself as the more "Euro" option but what we have got from Nissan with a few exceptions in their core market segments aren't great of late. In the UK they scored with the Note, the Qasqai and the Juke and the Xtrail but the cars which came out in this era wasn't well received. The Juke and Qashqai (sold as Dualis in Japan) were both products developed by Nissan UK, not Nissan Japan. At the same time the last two version of March/Micra weren't that great and the same has to be said of the Sunny/Almera, Sylphy and Primera.

The new Diesel engines are all Renault units, while usually ok, they do not have the rugged reliablity people came to expect from Nissan Diesels. I haven't looked into the latest petrol engines.

Perhaps I'm looking at things the wrong way. In the age of badge engineering and global collaboration, perhaps its too much to expect for brands to carve out their own identity.

Pericles · June 24, 2015

On 6/24/2015 at 2:07 PM, The Don said:
True, but the question is are they Nissan. I open up a Nissan these days and I see Renault parts, Renaullt technology. I'm glad the company has survived and their product offering has improved and its got a presence in motor sport, but my question is what is specific to Nissan about it...
The problem Nissan and Renault has is that in a lot of markets they directly compete with each other. Renault has tried to position itself as the more "Euro" option but what we have got from Nissan with a few exceptions in their core market segments aren't great of late. In the UK they scored with the Note, the Qasqai and the Juke and the Xtrail but the cars which came out in this era wasn't well received. The Juke and Qashqai (sold as Dualis in Japan) were both products developed by Nissan UK, not Nissan Japan. At the same time the last two version of March/Micra weren't that great and the same has to be said of the Sunny/Almera, Sylphy and Primera.

The new Diesel engines are all Renault units, while usually ok, they do not have the rugged reliablity people came to expect from Nissan Diesels. I haven't looked into the latest petrol engines.

Perhaps I'm looking at things the wrong way. In the age of badge engineering and global collaboration, perhaps its too much to expect for brands to carve out their own identity.

Well, it IS the purpose of tech sharing I guess. Europeans are leading in diesel tech and clean diesel tech. But engines like the VQ and VR are properly Jap, right?

The Don · June 24, 2015

On 6/24/2015 at 2:51 PM, Pericles said:
Well, it IS the purpose of tech sharing I guess. Europeans are leading in diesel tech and clean diesel tech. But engines like the VQ and VR are properly Jap, right?

Yes, for the moment. The problem I see is Nissan has adopted Renault technology but not quite the other way round. While its cheaper and more efficient, this makes it more difficult for Nissan to survive on its own.

I'm just thinking about all the great brands General Motors have managed to kill off, and Ford nearly did, but Tata and surprisingly Geely managed to save Jaguar/ Land Rover and Volvo.

The automotive industry is a very long term business. It takes a long time for you to build up the expertise to be able to build cars on your own. Technology sharing is great, but I'm not so sure about platform sharing in the long run. Renault has allowed Nissan to flourish in market sectors it does not have much of a precense or has failed to make an impact (the cross over market for example) and there seems to be an effort to push the Infinit brand. While as these make money, its not enough to survive as a volume car manufacturer. You need to have viable products in the small city car to medium sedan segment, areas which Nissan used to dominate, but now don't have much presence in. This is my concern.

Its all good and well they make nice sports cars like the GTR and have bolstered its presece in motor sport, but the margins on those cars are low to non existent, their premium offerings aren't really popular outside the US, the once great 4x4s now have an iffy reputation, haven't had a hit in the small to medium car segments for about 15 years so, I think you understand what I'm getting at.

Mitsubishi is engaged in a similar battle, but its trying to fight it by itself. Thankfully the last few years have been financially good for the company though the future outlook is uncertain. Similar issues are faced by Suzuki. Mazda on the other hand has lost quite a bit of its DNA as well, as there is a lot of badge engineering on their core products and platform sharing with Ford.

I don't want Nissan, Mazda to be jsut brands. I liked what they used to offer and competition in the market is good for the consumer. I don't want the Japanese auto industry to become Toyota and everybody else.........

Pericles · June 25, 2015

Well, there is the re-emergence of the Datsun brand. That will be aimed at the city car market.

And while I don't know of a current example (Renualt not being a brand I follow), The Clio V6 for example, used a VQ motor. So thats a Renault with a Nissan motor.

The Don · June 26, 2015

On 6/25/2015 at 9:35 PM, Pericles said:
Well, there is the re-emergence of the Datsun brand. That will be aimed at the city car market.
And while I don't know of a current example (Renualt not being a brand I follow), The Clio V6 for example, used a VQ motor. So thats a Renault with a Nissan motor.

Yes, we shall wait and see what they will do with the Datsun brand. The above type of examples of Renault using Nissan engines are very rare and The Clio V6 is not a mainstream car.

Its ironic how Renault became the saviour of Nissan, because the 1990s was a golden age for Nissan product wise, with their products on part with any of their competitors though comercially they were in trouble. Comparatively the Renault product line was pure rubbish (you should try driving a Megane from the 1990s which continued all the way to the early 2000s) and they were badly engineered unreliable rubbish, but due to low cost and popularity in the continent (Renaults are cheap to repair, and in France they religously buy French cars because their local garage can maintain them) so they were still a commercial success.

Right now, Nissan in Europe is kept competitive by products and designs coming out of their Sunderland plant. They do not have a full product offering.

http://www.nissan.co.uk/

The above will tell you the story. Incidentally I'm yet to see a single one of those Pulsars on the road yet.

And that compares to this.

https://www.renault.co.uk/vehicles/new-vehicles.html

Why do I have an issue with this...? There wasn't as many market segments in the past. But at the volume end with the Micra and the Almera they had super hits and the Navara and X Trail did pretty well too. You can't compete the same with the Note and Qashqai because the volumes are not the same in that segment of the market (and margins are probably the same as before).

Plus a brand need to have an identity. When Jags became badge engineered Mondeos people stopped buying them. The same is happening to Volvo now which have become badge engineered Focuses. Nissan still has products which are very much of their own design and making. I hope this is allowed to continue rather than further integration with Renault.

And quite frnakly, I'll happily buy a Nissan based on previous experience. The same can't be said for Renault.

Magnum · June 26, 2015

On 6/26/2015 at 9:22 AM, The Don said:
Yes, we shall wait and see what they will do with the Datsun brand. The above type of examples of Renault using Nissan engines are very rare and The Clio V6 is not a mainstream car.
Its ironic how Renault became the saviour of Nissan, because the 1990s was a golden age for Nissan product wise, with their products on part with any of their competitors though comercially they were in trouble. Comparatively the Renault product line was pure rubbish (you should try driving a Megane from the 1990s which continued all the way to the early 2000s) and they were badly engineered unreliable rubbish, but due to low cost and popularity in the continent (Renaults are cheap to repair, and in France they religously buy French cars because their local garage can maintain them) so they were still a commercial success.

Right now, Nissan in Europe is kept competitive by products and designs coming out of their Sunderland plant. They do not have a full product offering.

http://www.nissan.co.uk/

The above will tell you the story. Incidentally I'm yet to see a single one of those Pulsars on the road yet.

And that compares to this.

https://www.renault.co.uk/vehicles/new-vehicles.html

Why do I have an issue with this...? There wasn't as many market segments in the past. But at the volume end with the Micra and the Almera they had super hits and the Navara and X Trail did pretty well too. You can't compete the same with the Note and Qashqai because the volumes are not the same in that segment of the market (and margins are probably the same as before).

Plus a brand need to have an identity. When Jags became badge engineered Mondeos people stopped buying them. The same is happening to Volvo now which have become badge engineered Focuses. Nissan still has products which are very much of their own design and making. I hope this is allowed to continue rather than further integration with Renault.

And quite frnakly, I'll happily buy a Nissan based on previous experience. The same can't be said for Renault.

Was the engine in the Navara a success in Europe? I heard many are having trouble in SL

Kavvz · June 27, 2015

On 6/22/2015 at 5:19 AM, MasterDon said:
Looks like you were only interested in one particular model...you dog...what a cutie tho.good taste

lol !! Another tough day at work for Pericles. What a life! Poor bugger.

But what's all this negativity surrounding Mitsubishi? Not sure what's going on in America and Europe; but I thought they were doing well in Asia, and isn't their truck / lorry division making money?

Edited June 27, 2015 by Kavvz