Prius 3Rd Gen Market Price

[matroska]

Why can't people just buy what they want to buy without seeking external validation and..then going on debating about whose car is going to last longer ?

Even ICE cars break just like Hybrid cars....when they break people get it fixed by whatever means possible <Let's face it..it is not like there is a hidden park/yard with a huge pile of un-fixable abandoned cars>. End of story....doesn't matter the time period..doesn't matter what the car is.

Even gasoline cars are hard and costly to fix sometimes and sometimes it is hard to find a mechanic who knows what they are doing. So it is dependent on the car <gasoline cars are not just the Allions and old Corollas and Sunnae you know....>. The maka bass effect does not just effect Hybrids but also ICE cars. So lets not try to over trivialize the PROPER maintenance of a ICE car as well.

If one wants to buy a Hybrid..buy a Hybrid...if one wants to buy a gasoline/diesel car then buy one. Just make the decision based on your needs and means (i.e. do not buy a shiny Vezel with a lease payment that takes up 65% of your income>. One does not become a fool or wrong for buying what they want and what they can afford and what would make sense for them. There are a lot more other things in this world that will make one be considered a fool and the decision process for buying a car, IMO, would be at the very bottom of that list <or at least it should be>.

Can't agree with you more.

I'm wondering if people are using this now to spread opinions in the hope that it will someday fetch a higher price for their car. I won't be surprised if they do. There's a lot cheapos would do to benifit a few thousand bucks.

I remember in largest online gathering of retards, the E**K*** forum there is a 'big boss' whose opinion everyone consulted on when buying a car. That guy would spread fear about various cars - according to him the only good cars to buy were 141's and Tiidas (maybe he was a broker trying to market his wares) there are plenty of people like that : folk who love to rub their secretions on much surface area as possible.

Edited March 7, 2016 by matroska

[AbeysinghE]

Battery is only "a" problem not "the" problem. What about the inverter?

I know it's not "the" problem and a combination of few "a" problems. But even if you replace few "a" problems with second hand parts it's still worth when compared to the price paid for the car..I'm talking about second generation Prius approximately 3.2 million. What I meant was there is nothing to panic about replacement costs as hybrids are not strange machines to the market now.

Edited March 7, 2016 by AbeysinghE

[RViji]

.I'm talking about second generation Prius approximately 3.2 million. What I meant was there is nothing to panic about replacement costs as hybrids are not strange machines to the market now.

Tell me one place in Sri Lanka that can do this kind of teardown repair.

http://artsautomotive.com/publications/7-hybrid/105-prius-1st-gen-repairing-an-mg2-motor/

and We will believe you and buy second hand hybrid.

[matroska]

Tell me one place in Sri Lanka that can do this kind of teardown repair. http://artsautomotive.com/publications/7-hybrid/105-prius-1st-gen-repairing-an-mg2-motor/ and We will believe you and buy second hand hybrid.

um... Did AbeysinghE or anyone tell you to buy a Second hand Hybrid???

[gayanath]

Tell me one place in Sri Lanka that can do this kind of teardown repair. http://artsautomotive.com/publications/7-hybrid/105-prius-1st-gen-repairing-an-mg2-motor/ and We will believe you and buy second hand hybrid.

Good question. Please answer this before answering your question.

Please let me know any place which can repair CVT gear box (lets say pulley replacement or even internal bearing replacement of Toyota Allion car).

[terrabytetango]

Tell me one place in Sri Lanka that can do this kind of teardown repair. http://artsautomotive.com/publications/7-hybrid/105-prius-1st-gen-repairing-an-mg2-motor/ and We will believe you and buy second hand hybrid.

That's a 1st gen Prius they're working on. Replacing a motor isn't a big deal, the innards of the Toyota HSD is WAY less complicated than an auto transmission. Hell, even rewinding a burn stator wouldn't be an issue.

[RViji]

Good question. Please answer this before answering your question.

Please let me know any place which can repair CVT gear box (lets say pulley replacement or even internal bearing replacement of Toyota Allion car).

answering a question with a question does not make one look smart,only that he has no clue.

Your question is irrelevant from cost point of view.CVT costs about 2lakh max? But a hybrid HSD costs about 7lakh(5000$),which makes teardown repair more required than CVT or Auto gearboxes. If one is selling his used hybrid to someone,he also has a moral obligation to give information who can do such teardown repairs to the HSD.

P.S: CVT repair/rebuild kits are available for about 500$ worldwide. Although no places in Sri Lanka do it even for CVT.so how can you expect to do repairs for the HSD instead of paying 7lakh for a replacement unit? The problem with hybrids is pinpointing which part is at fault,even with original diagnosis software the messages can be misleading. Is it the motor,some sensor or battery? The easy option is to change the whole damn thing,7lakh for HSD and 7more lakh for battery. That would be the solution from our mechanics who can't even rebuild a CVT.

Edited March 7, 2016 by RViji

[gayanath]

answering a question with a question does not make one look smart,only that he has no clue.

Your question is irrelevant from cost point of view.CVT costs about 2lakh max? But a hybrid HSD costs about 7lakh(5000$),which makes teardown repair more required than CVT or Auto gearboxes. If one is selling his used hybrid to someone,he also has a moral obligation to give information who can do such teardown repairs to the HSD.

P.S: CVT repair/rebuild kits are available for about 500$ worldwide. Although no places in Sri Lanka do it even for CVT.so how can you expect to do repairs for the HSD instead of paying 7lakh for a replacement unit? The problem with hybrids is pinpointing which part is at fault,even with original diagnosis software the messages can be misleading. Is it the motor,some sensor or battery? The easy option is to change the whole damn thing,7lakh for HSD and 7more lakh for battery. That would be the solution from our mechanics who can't even rebuild a CVT.

My intention was to drive you towards which you told now. Yes, we cannot do proper repair for both of them present in SL (lets expect positively we could do soon by the way). In our context, our people are experts to replace parts with recon (kadapu badu) parts imported from Japan. So, when those parts are popular, price will come down. (I could purchase CV joint which for Rs. 8,000 where original one Rs. 75,000 and used for around 50,000 km until I sold the car without any issue). Your 2 laks CVT box cost less than Rs. 75,000 (two years back, my friend replaced CVT box of his car) and expect HSD could buy for less than Rs. 150,000 near future.

[BuBi]

I know it's not "the" problem and a combination of few "a" problems. But even if you replace few "a" problems with second hand parts it's still worth when compared to the price paid for the car..I'm talking about second generation Prius approximately 3.2 million. What I meant was there is nothing to panic about replacement costs as hybrids are not strange machines to the market now.

You know how much it will cost to replace a inverter? Do you know even then on one can be certain whether the replaced invert would go bust sooner or later.

There is everything to panic about old hybrids. Problem is not with the knowledge of the hybrid maintenance. The issue is because the intensive costs involved. It's not worth the effort to keep the old hybrid so that you can spare few bucks on the fuel.

Edited March 7, 2016 by BuBi

[BuBi]

Double post

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[BuBi]

My intention was to drive you towards which you told now. Yes, we cannot do proper repair for both of them present in SL (lets expect positively we could do soon by the way). In our context, our people are experts to replace parts with recon (kadapu badu) parts imported from Japan. So, when those parts are popular, price will come down. (I could purchase CV joint which for Rs. 8,000 where original one Rs. 75,000 and used for around 50,000 km until I sold the car without any issue). Your 2 laks CVT box cost less than Rs. 75,000 (two years back, my friend replaced CVT box of his car) and expect HSD could buy for less than Rs. 150,000 near future.

Prices will come down eventually. But the reliability of the parts specially the inverters cannot be guaranteed. Even so the tiring process of dismantling the engine compartment to replace even a single part of the system will be there. IMHO no local "Bass unnaha" will be able to handle such daunting task. It will be relegate to more specialist mechanics just like today's Mercs and Bemmers. Needless to say they cost a lot than the local "Bass".

Hybrid won't age as smoothly as the ICE cars. Hybrid market is going to crash sooner or later in Sri Lanka.

Edited March 7, 2016 by BuBi

[RViji]

@gayanath exactly.fixing CVT makes no sense because it is available for 75,000.

But dont compare apples with oranges.fixing a faulty HSD is Not so simple as CVT. To isolate the problem,pinpoint to Battery or HSD is the tricky part,not the cost of replacement part with dubious quality. Unlike mechanical parts, these power electronic elements depreciate their performance with time,storage conditions,not like a CV joint you get from some backyard shop in Watta. And to say all this will be available for 1.5lakh in "near" future is rubbish. Not even if there is another tsunami or floods in Japan.

@Bubi The plan is to save maximum $$ on fuel and pass it over to some poor guy who will have to be buried with it.

Edited March 7, 2016 by RViji

[gayanath]

@gayanath exactly.fixing CVT makes no sense because it is available for 75,000.

But dont compare apples with oranges.fixing a faulty HSD is Not so simple as CVT. To isolate the problem,pinpoint to Battery or HSD is the tricky part,not the cost of replacement part with dubious quality. Unlike mechanical parts, these power electronic elements depreciate their performance with time,storage conditions,not like a CV joint you get from some backyard shop in Watta. And to say all this will be available for 1.5lakh in "near" future is rubbish. Not even if there is another tsunami or floods in Japan.

@Bubi The plan is to save maximum $$ on fuel and pass it over to some poor guy who will have to be buried with it.

Do you know how many inverters replaced in Sri Lanka?. I know one guy who replaced his inverter with coolant pump (Toyota Aqua 2013) for Rs. 160,000 (total bill)and parts imported from Singapore. According to him he got 1 year warranty as well but don't know whether the parts are BN or used. Even though power electronic parts are depreciating there performance with the time, this is the first time I heard the rate is much higher than mechanical parts.

There are + and - things on both hybrids and non-hybrids. But my point is, the fear for the technology is useless. We use to live with technology. Whether hybrid or not, we have to face lots of problems while repairing those things. Now you are thinking only cars. But there are lot more things in the industry. Buses, trains, ships, cranes, planes, building services like AC, etc. Everything consists of electronics and the technology is changing day by day. You cannot repair even power window switch in your car sometimes now and you have to replace the entire thing as its links with ECU by CAN communication system. Do you recommend buying a car without power windows for ease of repair?

For your next query, every car buyer who purchase new car is trying to use the car less trouble for him and pass it over for next guy who has to replace each and every worn parts (starting from bearings, shocks, CV, ………. And finally the engine and body). It’s common for all (even for you) and not specific for hybrids.

[asrock]

Do you know how many inverters replaced in Sri Lanka?. I know one guy who replaced his inverter with coolant pump (Toyota Aqua 2013) for Rs. 160,000 (total bill)and parts imported from Singapore.

Damn man, that's scary, inverter and coolant pump busted on a 3 year old car?

[AbeysinghE]

Tell me one place in Sri Lanka that can do this kind of teardown repair. http://artsautomotive.com/publications/7-hybrid/105-prius-1st-gen-repairing-an-mg2-motor/ and We will believe you and buy second hand hybrid.

I neither asked anybody to believe me nor to buy a second hand hybrid. I was just expressing my opinion on the fear people have for the maintenance costs of hybrids. The link you are referring is 1st generation which is very rare in Sri Lankan market. There are lot of places in Colombo or near vicinity who provide services specially for hybrids. I was just saying "Kiyana tharam yaka kalu ne"

Edited March 8, 2016 by AbeysinghE

[RViji]

@Gayanath: your theory of everything available below 1.5lakh is busted now.for a company original inverter,having to replace after 3years is scary .Probably something to do with harsher use environment compared to Japan? And the replacement part which cost MORE than a CVT, only comes with 1year warranty and can fail any time too? You can keep a Merc S-CLASS in running condition, if you import parts from Singapore. But for the average joe from Polonnaruva who buys the 10years old car in SL does not have such connections.

You must be a mechanical engineer, since you seem to think electronic and mechanical parts depreciate the same way. But if you are using a hybrid, better be informed about these restrictions. The lifetime of the bigass capacitors(usually 15years,but in humidity temperature controlled packaging) and the battery cells strongly depends on the storage conditions, thats why the manufacturers specify these conditions more strictly compared to a steel bolt. You can see how much damage is already done when it rests in some backyard at Watta.

We are not afraid of technology. But these hybrids are made for developed country markets(especially Japan), where cars are 70%cheaper and scrapped after 5years or so at first signs of Engine trouble. the average joe from Polonnaruva who buys the 10years old car in SL is looking for a car that is easier to maintain, at his local garage, with spare parts from Polonnaruva Motors, without going to Colombo or going bankrupt. Thats why I predict that a 10year old Prius will have the lower second hand price as a similar aged, but simpler to maintain Alto K10 with less options.

Edited March 8, 2016 by RViji

[terrabytetango]

Thats why I predict that a 10year old Prius will have the same second hand price as a similar aged, but simpler to maintain Alto K10 with less options.

Let's test this hypothesis at the end of this year, since the earliest 2nd gens will be 10 years old by then. Of course chances are that you'll be long gone along with your "1000 tokes". The 2013 Aqua incident did not specifically state the part simply failed. Most probably the inverter failed due negligence, which means your point is moot. You neglect to maintain *any* car and it will eventually fail.

[RViji]

Let's test this hypothesis at the end of this year, since the earliest 2nd gens will be 10 years old by then. Of course chances are that you'll be long gone along with your "1000 tokes". The 2013 Aqua incident did not specifically state the part simply failed. Most probably the inverter failed due negligence, which means your point is moot. You neglect to maintain *any* car and it will eventually fail.

Lol, an inverter failed due to negligence? What are the specific guidelines you have to follow to protect your inverter? It is not even a serviceable part(,do you know what is an inverter?) parts are not made to "simply" fail. ELECTRONIC PARTS fail when they are used outside their specified environment and assumed use conditions AFAIK.

[terrabytetango]

Lol, an inverter failed due to negligence? What are the specific guidelines you have to follow to protect your inverter? It is not even a serviceable part(,do you know what is an inverter?) parts are not made to "simply" fail. ELECTRONIC PARTS fail when they are used outside their specified environment and assumed use conditions AFAIK.

Yes I know what an inverter is. Electronic parts can fail too, thats why they have an MTBF rating. Have you heard of that? And a Hybrid's inverter has a liquid cooling system, thus coolant levels to maintain. You ignore that, obviously it's going to fail. Sorry you're unaware of these things.

Edited March 8, 2016 by terrabytetango

[RViji]

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[RViji]

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[RViji]

Yes,the local makabass in polonnaruva doesn't know that inverter coolant needs to be changed.he will probably keep hands away from the hybrid system at best case. That's why old hybrids will be like European car but with less prestiges,second hand market restricted to Colombo unlike the Allion,Premios

[Supra_Natural]

Prices will come down eventually. But the reliability of the parts specially the inverters cannot be guaranteed. Even so the tiring process of dismantling the engine compartment to replace even a single part of the system will be there. IMHO no local "Bass unnaha" will be able to handle such daunting task. It will be relegate to more specialist mechanics just like today's Mercs and Bemmers. Needless to say they cost a lot than the local "Bass".

Hybrid won't age as smoothly as the ICE cars. Hybrid market is going to crash sooner or later in Sri Lanka.

@Gayanath: your theory of everything available below 1.5lakh is busted now.for a company original inverter,having to replace after 3years is scary .Probably something to do with harsher use environment compared to Japan? And the replacement part which cost MORE than a CVT, only comes with 1year warranty and can fail any time too? You can keep a Merc S-CLASS in running condition, if you import parts from Singapore. But for the average joe from Polonnaruva who buys the 10years old car in SL does not have such connections.

You must be a mechanical engineer, since you seem to think electronic and mechanical parts depreciate the same way. But if you are using a hybrid, better be informed about these restrictions. The lifetime of the bigass capacitors(usually 15years,but in humidity temperature controlled packaging) and the battery cells strongly depends on the storage conditions, thats why the manufacturers specify these conditions more strictly compared to a steel bolt. You can see how much damage is already done when it rests in some backyard at Watta.

We are not afraid of technology. But these hybrids are made for developed country markets(especially Japan), where cars are 70%cheaper and scrapped after 5years or so at first signs of Engine trouble. the average joe from Polonnaruva who buys the 10years old car in SL is looking for a car that is easier to maintain, at his local garage, with spare parts from Polonnaruva Motors, without going to Colombo or going bankrupt. Thats why I predict that a 10year old Prius will have the lower second hand price as a similar aged, but simpler to maintain Alto K10 with less options.

You chaps should really get over yourselves, we had these arguments 6 or 7 years ago when Hybrids first started flooding the market and back then all of us (myself included) were convinced they wouldn't make it to 3 years old or 50k Kilometres in our conditions. The facts have proven us wrong so far because Hybrids have been doing fine, some of the cab companies have cars that have run 400k Kilometres (have been in one myself) still on the original battery.

Manufacturers nowadays test their cars in many extremes of temperatures and on all kinds of road conditions for hundreds of thousands of Kilometres before they are released for sale, therefore there is much less variation in cars of different markets than you imagine and most cars can handle a wide variety of conditions without any fuss. Toyotas particularly are designed from the outset with total reliability as a key factor.

I'm not saying that a 25 year old prius will be just as cheap to run and tough as a 1991 Corolla is now, but based on the evidence we have so far, it looks like it will definitely still be on the road.

[Supra_Natural]

Prices will come down eventually. But the reliability of the parts specially the inverters cannot be guaranteed. Even so the tiring process of dismantling the engine compartment to replace even a single part of the system will be there. IMHO no local "Bass unnaha" will be able to handle such daunting task. It will be relegate to more specialist mechanics just like today's Mercs and Bemmers. Needless to say they cost a lot than the local "Bass".

Hybrid won't age as smoothly as the ICE cars. Hybrid market is going to crash sooner or later in Sri Lanka.

@Gayanath: your theory of everything available below 1.5lakh is busted now.for a company original inverter,having to replace after 3years is scary .Probably something to do with harsher use environment compared to Japan? And the replacement part which cost MORE than a CVT, only comes with 1year warranty and can fail any time too? You can keep a Merc S-CLASS in running condition, if you import parts from Singapore. But for the average joe from Polonnaruva who buys the 10years old car in SL does not have such connections.

You must be a mechanical engineer, since you seem to think electronic and mechanical parts depreciate the same way. But if you are using a hybrid, better be informed about these restrictions. The lifetime of the bigass capacitors(usually 15years,but in humidity temperature controlled packaging) and the battery cells strongly depends on the storage conditions, thats why the manufacturers specify these conditions more strictly compared to a steel bolt. You can see how much damage is already done when it rests in some backyard at Watta.

We are not afraid of technology. But these hybrids are made for developed country markets(especially Japan), where cars are 70%cheaper and scrapped after 5years or so at first signs of Engine trouble. the average joe from Polonnaruva who buys the 10years old car in SL is looking for a car that is easier to maintain, at his local garage, with spare parts from Polonnaruva Motors, without going to Colombo or going bankrupt. Thats why I predict that a 10year old Prius will have the lower second hand price as a similar aged, but simpler to maintain Alto K10 with less options.

You chaps should really get over yourselves, we had these arguments 6 or 7 years ago when Hybrids first started flooding the market and back then all of us (myself included) were convinced they wouldn't make it to 3 years old or 50k Kilometres in our conditions. The facts have proven us wrong so far because Hybrids have been doing fine, some of the cab companies have cars that have run 400k Kilometres (have been in one myself) still on the original battery.

Manufacturers nowadays test their cars in many extremes of temperatures and on all kinds of road conditions for hundreds of thousands of Kilometres before they are released for sale, therefore there is much less variation in cars of different markets than you imagine and most cars can handle a wide variety of conditions without any fuss. Toyotas particularly are designed from the outset with total reliability as a key factor.

I'm not saying that a 25 year old prius will be just as cheap to run and tough as a 1991 Corolla is now, but based on the evidence we have so far, it looks like it will definitely still be on the road.

[terrabytetango]

Yes,the local makabass in polonnaruva doesn't know that inverter coolant needs to be changed.he will probably keep hands away from the hybrid system at best case. That's why old hybrids will be like European car but with less prestiges,second hand market restricted to Colombo unlike the Allion,Premios

To begin with, your assumptions are ridiculous; it's highly unlikely anyone who only has access to a makabass will ever buy a hybrid in the first place. Secondly, who ever buys one will obviously have done their homework, as people do now when buying old Euros. Also, if you think Hybrid owners are limited to just Colombo, you clearly haven't ventured outside the city limits in the past 3 years or so.

Edited March 8, 2016 by terrabytetango