Why Vezel Is Bad?

[pug306xsi]

This is getting .... Cant the MODS lock this thread? Thank you.

[AbeysinghE]

Let's be reasonable guys..I was driving a Prius second generation from 2011 to 2013 solely because I was doing approximately 100 kms per day..I didn't want to save fuel considerably as my target was to achieve at least above 15 kmpl..I drove it at decent speeds always and I'm a hard accelerator always. So my fuel saving hybrid machine trip computer always shows figure around 16-17 kmpl, while all of my friends' cars did around 23 kmpl..they were arguing that my car has a serious issue due to fuel figures. Finally i sold it for 3.1 million after two years..In fact 200k more than the price I bought it when the clock indicating 128000 kms..

Some people buy hybrids for a reason...my reason to use a hybrid was over and immediately I changed the car. So as VVti pointed out not every hybrid driver a moron and surely a lot of morons riding hybrids these days.. i can't understand what's the logic behind slow driving? Is it just to save fuel or most of the hybrid drivers are not experienced enough to drive..

[bycap]

just outta curiosity. does this trip computer show the right figures ? or is it different with full tank to tank method ???

[trinity]

Yeh, with all this rage on 50 shades of grey, possibilities are good I say. BTW, long time mate. I've still a promise to keep.

lol.. long time it is machang,,, yes yes i remember, lets do it sometime soon..

[AbeysinghE]

just outta curiosity. does this trip computer show the right figures ? or is it different with full tank to tank method ???

Don't rely on what trip computer indicates..It's like trusting the weather report of meteorology department

[VVTi]

Don't rely on what trip computer indicates..It's like trusting the weather report of meteorology department

Trip computer gives an approximate figure based on the software... no better than the retarded calculation the Go Green centers tell the gullible masses about the fuel consumption of your car when you go for the green test. They have given Allion figures to my Forester ...

Seen ads where people quote that also.

[sasika]

@sasika. And you missed the point too ! We are all saying apart from the usual woes of a 1500cc car becoming gutless there is nothing wrong with it except

- differences in personal preferences

- the people owning them (giving it a bad rep)

Back with your acceleration stuff. Seriously dude read up about electricmotors and gasoline engines and study torque/power/'all other' curves that you can get from it.

Have you? They use hybrid technology to increase the things u mentioned like in the P1 and LaFerrai, and of course in formula one. Basically hybrids have more torque than the same capacity gasoline only engine. Right? That's how they get 850+ horses from a 1.6 liter turbo. 160 of it comes from the electric system.

[tcfern1]

Other thing is the tire size of vezel.the friction is more since the width of tires are not matching for a 1500 cc engine.

[kush]

Trip computer gives an approximate figure based on the software... no better than the retarded calculation the Go Green centers tell the gullible masses about the fuel consumption of your car when you go for the green test. They have given Allion figures to my Forester ...

Seen ads where people quote that also.

I have verified this on a Corolla 141 and CRV (RM) using brim to brim on long distance and town running over a distance of over 10,000 km on both cases.

In both cases it was 90-95% accurate, of cause the figures was what you really want to see, hope or what is being quoted.

[iRage]

Have you? They use hybrid technology to increase the things u mentioned like in the P1 and LaFerrai, and of course in formula one. Basically hybrids have more torque than the same capacity gasoline only engine. Right? That's how they get 850+ horses from a 1.6 liter turbo. 160 of it comes from the electric system.

You are 24 karat 99.95% idiot who seems to miss the point over and over again !

I said look at the curves with the hope that you could figure out how they are delivered and how it curves out which would have given you an explanation to your initial statement about acceleration....but it is obvious that you are missing it. (EDIT: Sorry I didn't want to be confrontational so I re-worded this part in case you saw it before)

You asked what is wrong with the Vezel. Let me be very direct (since you missed what other's have said) What is wrong with the Vezel is people like you (EDIT: Sorry i don't know YOU....but I do know several other people who ask the same thing and say similar things about their hybrid/Allion+Premio purchases.So I am stereotyping you as much as I hate to do so) You bought a Vezel along with thousands of people like you and now seeking justification/external validation. Be happy with what you bought without asking other people to go, like they say, ' ela ela" / 'patta patta' / "niyma bande"/etc....we told you what we thought about the Vezel which was pretty much the same "nothing wrong with it for what it is". <This is like the old time Allion threads all over again !!!>

EDIT :

Your Weasel's gasoline engine gives out a maximum of 156Nm of torque @4600 rpm and your motor has 160Nm of torque (that does not mean you have 156+160 Nm of torque as and when you please ! Same goes with the HP [132PS@6600rpm + 29PS Motor]). Interestingly the gasoline variant has 131PS@6600 rpm and has 155Nm of torque @ 4600rps and weighs on average 140kg less than the Hybrid variant

There is no such thing as a perfect car in the world and perfection is in the eye of the beholder just like beauty.

Edited February 19, 2015 by iRage

[sasika]

I have studied, can you tell me the point I miss here? Electric motor fill up the gaps in the ICE. Right? And it can deliver full torque available instantly. When the two power units combine, that means you get the additional instantaneous torque from the electric motor and raw power of ICE.<br />

<a href='http://www.transportation.anl.gov/pdfs/HV/454.pdf'>http://www.transportation.anl.gov/pdfs/HV/454.pdf</a><br />

Please do read. <br />

Page 9 and 10 specially. Thanks

EDIT: I might not be an idiot. You never know

Edited February 19, 2015 by sasika

[peugeot407]

I have studied, can you tell me the point I miss here? Electric motor fill up the gaps in the ICE. Right? And it can deliver full torque available instantly. When the two power units combine, that means you get the additional instantaneous torque from the electric motor and raw power of ICE.<br />

<a href='http://www.transportation.anl.gov/pdfs/HV/454.pdf'>http://www.transportation.anl.gov/pdfs/HV/454.pdf</a><br />

Please do read. <br />

Page 9 and 10 specially. Thanks

EDIT: I might not be an idiot. You never know

Keep in mind their's factor called weight also involved.

Yes I agree combination of ICE and motor gives Superior characteristics (eg composite material). However you have to sacrifice on the weight, ultimately you gain nothing.

[sasika]

You are 24 karat 99.95% idiot who seems to miss the point over and over again !

I said look at the curves with the hope that you could figure out how they are delivered and how it curves out which would have given you an explanation to your initial statement about acceleration....but it is obvious that you are missing it. (EDIT: Sorry I didn't want to be confrontational so I re-worded this part in case you saw it before)

You asked what is wrong with the Vezel. Let me be very direct (since you missed what other's have said) What is wrong with the Vezel is people like you (EDIT: Sorry i don't know YOU....but I do know several other people who ask the same thing and say similar things about their hybrid/Allion+Premio purchases.So I am stereotyping you as much as I hate to do so) You bought a Vezel along with thousands of people like you and now seeking justification/external validation. Be happy with what you bought without asking other people to go, like they say, ' ela ela" / 'patta patta' / "niyma bande"/etc....we told you what we thought about the Vezel which was pretty much the same "nothing wrong with it for what it is". <This is like the old time Allion threads all over again !!!>

EDIT :

Your Weasel's gasoline engine gives out a maximum of 156Nm of torque @4600 rpm and your motor has 160Nm of torque (that does not mean you have 156+160 Nm of torque as and when you please ! Same goes with the HP [132PS@6600rpm + 29PS Motor]). Interestingly the gasoline variant has 131PS@6600 rpm and has 155Nm of torque @ 4600rps and weighs on average 140kg less than the Hybrid variant

There is no such thing as a perfect car in the world and perfection is in the eye of the beholder just like beauty.

Well the 24karat idiot did some research and found these results. As we all know there are both hybrid and non hybrid models of Vezel. Here's what I found

Weight: hybrid is 90kg more

Acceleration 0-100km/h: hybrid:8.5 sec,non hybrid: 11sc

Top speed: hybrid:199km/h, non hybrid: 187km/h

same model, same drag coefficient and same engine

thanks. Am I still missing anything?

[sasika]

Keep in mind their's factor called weight also involved.

Yes I agree combination of ICE and motor gives Superior characteristics (eg composite material). However you have to sacrifice on the weight, ultimately you gain nothing.

Please read the reply to iRage's post. yes its 90kg heavier but still bettr on economy, acceleration and top speed compared to same model gasoline only

Thanks

[Hoonigan]

Quoting the P1 and the LaFerrari is not exactly right in this scenario. They have engineered the electric motor to complement and ADD TO an already bonkers ICE. The more economical hybrid systems tend to REPLACE a portion of the ICEs power to improve fuel economy. While both are effectively hybrid systems, they act very differently. And that initial 'kick' you get is simply because of how the the electric motor giving peak torque at 0 RPM whereas the ICE needs to get a roll on.

The Prius and now the Vezzel is getting some hate for the same reasons, the owners (majority of them to stay politically correct). And the fact that they are hybrids has nothing to do with it I think. Maybe someone who lives in Europe can verify this, but if I'm not mistaken, Bimmers a while back had a bad rep in Europe for being the 'douchebag's car' (now Audi has taken up that title?). But that does not mean that Bimmers or Audis are bad cars by any means. Just that the owners of them paint a bad picture.

I think it's the owner's apparent flaunting of good the car is and the need for constant validation is what ticks others off. If you bought it for your own reasons as you say and you are happy with it, it shouldn't matter what others think of it. It's your money, your choice

[Sampath Gunasekera]

Well the 24karat idiot did some research and found these results. As we all know there are both hybrid and non hybrid models of Vezel. Here's what I found

Weight: hybrid is 90kg more

Acceleration 0-100km/h: hybrid:8.5 sec,non hybrid: 11sc

Top speed: hybrid:199km/h, non hybrid: 187km/h

same model, same drag coefficient and same engine

thanks. Am I still missing anything?

Hybrid Vessel comes with 7AT and Non-Hybrid Vessel comes with CVT , Isn't it?

Edited February 19, 2015 by Sampath Gunasekera

[sasika]

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="Hoonigan" data-cid="272457" data-time="1424329880"><p>

Quoting the P1 and the LaFerrari is not exactly right in this scenario. They have engineered the electric motor to complement and ADD TO an already bonkers ICE. The more economical hybrid systems tend to REPLACE a portion of the ICEs power to improve fuel economy. While both are effectively hybrid systems, they act very differently. And that initial 'kick' you get is simply because of how the the electric motor giving peak torque at 0 RPM whereas the ICE needs to get a roll on.<br />

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The Prius and now the Vezzel is getting some hate for the same reasons, the owners (majority of them to stay politically correct). And the fact that they are hybrids has nothing to do with it I think. Maybe someone who lives in Europe can verify this, but if I'm not mistaken, Bimmers a while back had a bad rep in Europe for being the 'douchebag's car' (now Audi has taken up that title?). But that does not mean that Bimmers or Audis are bad cars by any means. Just that the owners of them paint a bad picture. <br />

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I think it's the owner's apparent flaunting of good the car is and the need for constant validation is what ticks others off. If you bought it for your own reasons as you say and you are happy with it, it shouldn't matter what others think of it. It's your money, your choice </p></blockquote>

I agree with you. I quoted the two Hyper cars to highlight the torque factor as u explained. I think someone was claiming that hybrid systems don't add to acceleration. Obviously those cars use the system to fill up the gaps in ICE. FYI now the gear shift time of a F1 car is zero( no drive is lost during shifts) due to the electric motor

[sasika]

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Hybrid Vessel comes with 7AT and Non-Hybrid Vessel comes with CVT , Isn't it?<br />

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One can say both are evenly matched and in some cases CVT works better. But in high power transmission conditions the dual clutch is better. In this case, no difference or maybe cvt can perform better

[iRage]

Well the 24karat idiot did some research and found these results. As we all know there are both hybrid and non hybrid models of Vezel. Here's what I found

Weight: hybrid is 90kg more

Acceleration 0-100km/h: hybrid:8.5 sec,non hybrid: 11sc

Top speed: hybrid:199km/h, non hybrid: 187km/h

same model, same drag coefficient and same engine

thanks. Am I still missing anything?

Here is the thing ! You are making yourself even a bigger moron.

1. Japanese cars are governed at 180 kmph! So yeah, you can do 197kmph on your Hybrid Vezel, but then again they also say the AWD version does ~21 kmpl

2. Just because you combine the two it doesn't mean you are necessarily getting ICE's MAX/OPTIMUM output + optimum output of motor. BECAUSE your gasoline engine will not be at its peak torque or PS output. You finally found out why you accelerate off the mark quicker than a normal car. Yes.electric motor reaches peak instantaneously compared to ICE. Just because you move off quicker doesn't make you more powerful also see what Hoonigan has added.

3. The gasoline and hybrid cars are geared differently !

4. You get peak performance from the motor presuming that your batteries are optimal

And in line with your missing the point and further re-enforcing the moronicness. I didn't say Hybrid's DO NOT add to the acceleration. I said ACCELERATION DOES NOT MEAN MORE POWER !!! I illustrated the fact by showing you that even a 660cc kei car with ~70+ HP accelerates better than a 1600cc 160+ HP car ! Because YOU said the Vezel is more powerful because you can accelerate faster. Thus the reason I told you to study how power, torque, etc..are distributed differently between an electric motor and an ICE with the hope that you would find the light and realize the 'unfairness' of your own statement.

Look okay fine...You bought yourself the best thing the world has seen since sliced bread ! It is luxurious, powerful, you have a commanding driving position that belittles all the others ,I hope you got the one with the gold badges. Personally, after reading your posts, I think I want to lead a group of Vezel owners to demand the govt for Vezel only lanes ! That is how much you have inspired me ! CONGRATS !

Now may I redirect you to Ela**ri for the adoration you are expecting ? There is even a thread on the best shape of number plate

[iRage]

By the way ! Did you get your specs from this ?

http://www.automobile-catalog.com/make/honda/vezel/vezel_hybrid_2wd/2014.html ?

Is your's a 2WD ? I guess all this hissy fit is because you get the claimed 27 kmpl ???

2014 Honda Vezel Hybrid

• Honda Vezel Hybrid, manufactured or sold in 2014, version for Japan (since January)
• 5-door wagon body type
• FWD (front-wheel drive), dual-clutch semi-automatic 7-speed gearbox
• petrol (gasoline) engine with displacement: 1497 cm3 / 91.1 cui, advertised power: 112 kW / 150 hp / 152 PS ( JIS net ), Torque net: 190 Nm / 140 lb-ft
• characteristic dimensions: outside length: 4295 mm / 169.1 in, wheelbase: 2610 mm / 102.8 in
• reference weights: base curb weight: 1270 kg / 2800 lbs
• how fast is this car ? top speed: 199 km/h (124 mph) (theoretical);
• accelerations: 0- 60 mph 8 s; 0- 100 km/h 8.5 s (a-c simulation); 1/4 mile drag time (402 m) 16.3 s (a-c simulation)
• fuel consumption and mileage: 3.7 l/100km / 76.3 mpg (imp.) / 63.5 mpg (U.S.) / 27 km/l emission: 86 gCO2/km average estimated by a-c: 5 l/100km / 56.6 mpg (imp.) / 47.1 mpg (U.S.) / 20.1 km/l

[sasika]

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="iRage" data-cid="272461" data-time="1424332492"><p>

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Here is the thing ! You are making yourself even a bigger moron. <br />

1. Japanese cars are governed at 180 kmph! So yeah, you can do 197kmph on your Hybrid Vezel, but then again they also say the AWD version does ~21 kmpl <br />

2. Just because you combine the two it doesn't mean you are necessarily getting ICE's MAX/OPTIMUM output + optimum output of motor. BECAUSE your gasoline engine will not be at its peak torque or PS output. You finally found out why you accelerate off the mark quicker than a normal car. Yes.electric motor reaches peak instantaneously compared to ICE. Just because you move off quicker doesn't make you more powerful also see what Hoonigan has added. <br />

3. The gasoline and hybrid cars are geared differently !<br />

4. You get peak performance from the motor presuming that your batteries are optimal<br />

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And in line with your missing the point and further re-enforcing the moronicness. I didn't say Hybrid's DO NOT add to the acceleration. I said ACCELERATION DOES NOT MEAN MORE POWER !!! I illustrated the fact by showing you that even a 660cc kei car with ~70+ HP accelerates better than a 1600cc 160+ HP car ! Because YOU said the Vezel is more powerful because you can accelerate faster. Thus the reason I told you to study how power, torque, etc..are distributed differently between an electric motor and an ICE with the hope that you would find the light and realize the 'unfairness' of your own statement. <br />

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Look okay fine...You bought yourself the best thing the world has seen since sliced bread ! It is luxurious, powerful, you have a commanding driving position that belittles all the others ,I hope you got the one with the gold badges. Personally, after reading your posts, I think I want to lead a group of Vezel owners to demand the govt for Vezel only lanes ! That is how much you have inspired me ! CONGRATS !<br />

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Now may I redirect you to Ela**ri for the adoration you are expecting ? There is even a thread on the best shape of number plate </p></blockquote>

Oh come on!! Stop showing your aggression now acceleration doesn't mean power, but better is better.. Isn't it? When u do a drag race and one comes in front is the winner? Right. Btw not many JDMs produce 150bhp to be honest right?

Edited February 19, 2015 by sasika

[VVTi]

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="iRage" data-cid="272461" data-time="1424332492"><p>

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Here is the thing ! You are making yourself even a bigger moron. <br />

1. Japanese cars are governed at 180 kmph! So yeah, you can do 197kmph on your Hybrid Vezel, but then again they also say the AWD version does ~21 kmpl <br />

2. Just because you combine the two it doesn't mean you are necessarily getting ICE's MAX/OPTIMUM output + optimum output of motor. BECAUSE your gasoline engine will not be at its peak torque or PS output. You finally found out why you accelerate off the mark quicker than a normal car. Yes.electric motor reaches peak instantaneously compared to ICE. Just because you move off quicker doesn't make you more powerful also see what Hoonigan has added. <br />

3. The gasoline and hybrid cars are geared differently !<br />

4. You get peak performance from the motor presuming that your batteries are optimal<br />

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And in line with your missing the point and further re-enforcing the moronicness. I didn't say Hybrid's DO NOT add to the acceleration. I said ACCELERATION DOES NOT MEAN MORE POWER !!! I illustrated the fact by showing you that even a 660cc kei car with ~70+ HP accelerates better than a 1600cc 160+ HP car ! Because YOU said the Vezel is more powerful because you can accelerate faster. Thus the reason I told you to study how power, torque, etc..are distributed differently between an electric motor and an ICE with the hope that you would find the light and realize the 'unfairness' of your own statement. <br />

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Look okay fine...You bought yourself the best thing the world has seen since sliced bread ! It is luxurious, powerful, you have a commanding driving position that belittles all the others ,I hope you got the one with the gold badges. Personally, after reading your posts, I think I want to lead a group of Vezel owners to demand the govt for Vezel only lanes ! That is how much you have inspired me ! CONGRATS !<br />

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Now may I redirect you to Ela**ri for the adoration you are expecting ? There is even a thread on the best shape of number plate </p></blockquote>

Oh come on!! Stop showing your aggression now acceleration doesn't mean power, but better is better.. Isn't it? When u do a drag race and one comes in front is the winner? Right. Btw not many JDMs produce 150bhp to be honest right?

LOL!!!

No machang.. all Japanese manufactures have now come to an agreement to cap the Bhp at Vezel levels as the Sri Lankan Vezel owners are boycotting cars that have even one horse more than their precious Vezel. They are worried that Vezel owners, such as you, will start punching people up if they get overtaken on the road by a car that has 1bhp more.. .kinda like impotent men with ED beats up their women or in some cases their boy friends when they cannot raise the flag and deliver the goods...

Edited February 19, 2015 by VVTi

[iRage]

Oh come on!! Stop showing your aggression now acceleration doesn't mean power, but better is better.. Isn't it? When u do a drag race and one comes in front is the winner? Right. Btw not many JDMs produce 150bhp to be honest right?

Oh you little kid...it doesn't necessarily mean you can stay ahead ! and when under load (eg...full of cargo + passengers, climbing hill) that acceleration you alk about is going to be no where around, especially if the battery is drained out. I guess with what you are saying we can expect to see this year's drags being wiped out by Hybrids . I don't know what you mean by better is better. A Maruti Alto is better on fuel does that mean it is better ?

There are plenty of JDM cars with 150hp or more. I am just going to give you the benefit of the doubt and presume you meant 1500cc pure gasoline 150hp cars. There was a time where Japanese manufacturers had "spirited" versions of their everyday cars which easily exceeded 150hp with engines with average displacements. However, that changed year 2000 or so onwards where I guess they presumed such versions were not needed.

It is NOT always about HP !!! For example take your own little Weasel. A Hybrid AWD Weasel is roughly 1360 kg / 150 HP whilst a gasoline AWD Weasel is 1270 kg / 131HP. Now do some roughly/crude "sitting at a cafe' using a paper napkin" type calculation of the power to weight ratios of the two cars and compare . Do you see much difference ? Now take a gasoline Axio which roughly weighs around 1100kg with 108 HP. Now do rough calculation of the ratio. Do you see that much of a drastic change ? Do you see that you don't need a whole lot of HP to achieve the same or close outcome ? <There are other factors as to why their performance would different even if the P:W ratios are close or even better...>

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Edited February 19, 2015 by iRage

[ans]

most vezzels in sri lanka are not even AWD .

I have personally witnessed how so powerful vezzels struggles when it comes to above 80kmph speeds.

The MAIN problem with the Vezel is the entity that places it self between the driver's seat and the steering wheel. These entities have a tendency to:

1. Think they are super duper on the road and that they are driving a sports car or a go anywhere off roader

2. Hog lanes driving real slow save the planet of naughty naughty exaust gases

3. Sit around talk about how amazing their weasels are

4. Open threads on auto forums to justify their purchase and seek validation of/for their purchase.

Apart from that it is a well put together little 1500cc car that would do everything any other 1500cc car would do (though with a heavier body it feels under powered even against its brother the Fit and suffocates when under load as any 1500cc car would). Also it gives u an AWD system that will help u with snow and rain but nothing much else.

Now about your acceleration claim and your belief that acceleration = power. I get smoked by little 660cc engined kei cars off the mark at traffic lights and I am driving a 1600cc 160+hp car. Sure they smoke me only for a few seconds....but they do. Also look in to how electric motors vs. Gasoline motors work. That might make you realise why and when your Hybrid motor would pull u off the mark faster than an ICE car.

Well, these are baseless. I own vezel, and i dont want it to market. people who like it will buy, others will kept out. it's not struggling @ 80KMpH at any time? I've driven it in hill country's , overtook any vehicle without any sort of issue. you dont need to depend on sport mode if you know how to drive. may be people who cant drive or who is conscious about fuel economy struggling in the road. it's not a surprise that any car can accelerate. i've driven 990cc charade , 800cc Maruti also in high speeds, it's your driving style. but drive with passion is different. all those are hatred stories.

[Muditha420]

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="iRage" data-cid="272461" data-time="1424332492"><p>

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Here is the thing ! You are making yourself even a bigger moron. <br />

1. Japanese cars are governed at 180 kmph! So yeah, you can do 197kmph on your Hybrid Vezel, but then again they also say the AWD version does ~21 kmpl <br />

2. Just because you combine the two it doesn't mean you are necessarily getting ICE's MAX/OPTIMUM output + optimum output of motor. BECAUSE your gasoline engine will not be at its peak torque or PS output. You finally found out why you accelerate off the mark quicker than a normal car. Yes.electric motor reaches peak instantaneously compared to ICE. Just because you move off quicker doesn't make you more powerful also see what Hoonigan has added. <br />

3. The gasoline and hybrid cars are geared differently !<br />

4. You get peak performance from the motor presuming that your batteries are optimal<br />

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And in line with your missing the point and further re-enforcing the moronicness. I didn't say Hybrid's DO NOT add to the acceleration. I said ACCELERATION DOES NOT MEAN MORE POWER !!! I illustrated the fact by showing you that even a 660cc kei car with ~70+ HP accelerates better than a 1600cc 160+ HP car ! Because YOU said the Vezel is more powerful because you can accelerate faster. Thus the reason I told you to study how power, torque, etc..are distributed differently between an electric motor and an ICE with the hope that you would find the light and realize the 'unfairness' of your own statement. <br />

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Look okay fine...You bought yourself the best thing the world has seen since sliced bread ! It is luxurious, powerful, you have a commanding driving position that belittles all the others ,I hope you got the one with the gold badges. Personally, after reading your posts, I think I want to lead a group of Vezel owners to demand the govt for Vezel only lanes ! That is how much you have inspired me ! CONGRATS !<br />

<br />

Now may I redirect you to Ela**ri for the adoration you are expecting ? There is even a thread on the best shape of number plate </p></blockquote>

Oh come on!! Stop showing your aggression now acceleration doesn't mean power, but better is better.. Isn't it? When u do a drag race and one comes in front is the winner? Right. Btw not many JDMs produce 150bhp to be honest right?

This is some funny sh** i have read for awhile now "Btw not many JDMs produce 150bhp to be honest right" aiyye galak yatada gahak udada hitiye??? should not time travelso much it messes up ur mind... i have a JDM car machan should try to see if i can least keep up with a Weasel so i can brag to me mates...